[ SECRET POST #4064 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4064 ⌋

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[(Anonymous)]

I'm the opposite. I think it was always clear that anyone could be Force Sensitive, and I want the saga movies to be about the Skywalkers and their friends. I hope they retcon it in the next movie.

I admit that the discourse around this issue has hardened my stance. I didn't care about Rey Nobody, Rey Skywalker, Rey Palpatine or anything beforehand but now that people are making such a big deal about it, I want her to be connected to literally anyone interesting.

[(Anonymous)]

But... if you want the sagas to be about the Skywalkers and their friends, Rey still falls within that category. She is a friend of the Skywalkers.

[(Anonymous)]

She's a protagonist though. She is what the saga is about and she's not a Skywalker. The only Skywalker to continue the story is Kylo, who might have to die to be redeemed and even if not, I want an actually good Skywalker, not a grey one. I'm okay with Rey being a Kenobi. I'm okay with her being connected to one of the original Skywalker friends like Lando or reincarnated Anakin. Her being a clone of Palpatine would be interesting. But I want whatever she is to be connected to the Skywalkers because the saga films are their stories.

I honestly didn't care about her being nobody until everyone made such a big deal about how unique and right it is, which I don't agree with at all so now I want her to be connected to someone from the OT or PT or new EU.

[(Anonymous)]

For whatever it's worth, I agree with you to an extent. It might be because the original trilogy was important to my childhood or that I read some of the continuation books, idk. But I saw the OT as the Skywalker story, the prequels as their history, with the parental generation and early versions of characters like Obi-Wan, and I wanted to see a continuation of the OT, their future generation (not just one whiny brat), with the new ones.

Yes, I was invested in the greater world to an extent, but I was more invested in Luke, Han, and Leia. And even though I overall liked TLJ, I feel kinda let down that it seemed to make this trilogy not a continuation of their story, not really about their future, but about the future of someone with no connection to the main story. The other anon said that Rey would count as one of the Skywalker's friends, but I disagree. She knew them for like two seconds in the grand scheme of things and pretty much spent most of TLJ rejecting everything of Luke's. I think I might have felt differently if the training had been handled differently, maybe? But as it is I feel Rey has no connection to the Skywalkers, even as a friend/protégé, and I don't feel there is any way to really make a connection I would like with Han and Luke dead and Leia, by necessity, out of the last movie. And that bothers me, because I wanted more, I wanted that connection and continuation.

[(Anonymous)]

So with you.

I thought the fact that Anakin was pulled out of nowhere (as far as the council and such went) showed that anyone could be a jedi.

[(Anonymous)]

Wasn't he sort of implied to have been the result of some weird Force experimentation or something like that

Some kind of magic miracle Force baby

[(Anonymous)]

I thought the prequel films made it clear that anyone could be a jedi because there were tons of jedi, and the jedi order forbade emotional attachments, so there generally weren’t families of related jedi running around. Jedi masters would be on the lookout for force-sensative kids to bring back to the temple to train. The criteria were usually just a) force sensitive and b) toddlers up to about 5 or 6.

[(Anonymous)]

I would have been all for Rey Random, but the way it was done - meaning with zero regards towards continuity, good writing and in a very forced "neener neener neener I bet you didn't expect THAT" kind of way made me resent it.

[(Anonymous)]

This is the thing that put me off of it. It was executed so fucking cheaply to me. Killed my interest in the new trilogy.

Same.

[raspberryrain]

Star Wars didn't really need a royal family of Force magic.

Also: Given a choice between the main movies being about "the Skywalker midichlorian line" or about the major events in the galaxy, I think the latter approach is ultimately better. The Skywalkers just intersected with those major events for a while.

Also, Episodes II & III did the opposite of endear Anakin to the audience. Disney has good commercial reasons not to make him the core of the concept.

Re: Same.

[(Anonymous)]

+1

[(Anonymous)]

Why are people acting like "Anyone can be a Jedi" is some revolutionary idea never seen in the Star Wars saga until TLJ? Did y'all not see the prequels, The Clone Wars, or Rebels? Or read any of the supplementary books and/or comics? "Anyone can be Force sensitive" is the established norm. The Skywalker dynasty is the anomaly.

[(Anonymous)]

+1
This is my feeling. Rey being a nobody is fine but the way that people pump it up as this big thing feels so stupid. It's been clear from ANH that the Force is in everyone.

[(Anonymous)]

I guess it's a conflation of a few different things - the idea that the Force is genetic and the fact that the Skywalkers have the most genetics and are therefore the best at being Jedis and have important force destinies.

So it's not just that Rey is force-sensitive, it's that she's also mega-powerful without having any special chosen one genetics.

[(Anonymous)]

Except she does?? It's pretty explicit that she is the new Chosen One...

Shmi Skywalker wasn't packing any Force super genes. Then boom, Anakin. Big grand Force appointed destiny tends to equal big grand Force appointed powers in SW. Same follows for Luke, Leia and Kylo Ren.

AYRT

[(Anonymous)]

I don't know... I always thought Yoda was the most powerful Jedi in the saga. And he's not related to anyone.

[(Anonymous)]

A lot of people have little to no interest in Clone Wars/Rebels/books/comics, and try not to think about the prequels.

[(Anonymous)]

Your lack of interest in something doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Pretending that TLJ invented the idea of a random person having Force powers is like giving Stephen King credit for inventing the ghost story because he's the only horror author you've ever read.

[cbrachyrhynchos]

Rey Skywalker stans were extremely aggressive in pushing their fannish interpretation of TFA as the only reasonable interpretation while TLJ was in production, part of that fueling some rather ugly anti-Reylo wars. (Not my ship, but still...)

[(Anonymous)]

Apparently they're still pushing it.

[(Anonymous)]

I loved that too. I also loved that TLJ also showed that people didn't have to be Force sensitive to be heroic or to make a difference. I hope both of those continue in the next movie.

And to be honest, I think Disney did the right thing. In order for the franchise to continue to be successful, it needed to reinvent itself, and it's doing that.

[(Anonymous)]

Counterpoint: Han. Lando. Chewbacca. C3-PO and R2D2. Padme.

As to the second... I agree that the old had to make way for the new, but it could have been done a lot more gracefully, and without completely removing all links to the past. :( I know that I would be happier if the Skywalker's entire legacy (given that both the New Republic and the entirety of the new Order have been wiped out) wasn't tied into Kylo effin' Ren.

...I really just can't bring myself to root for a guy who ran away from his family to become a mass murdering terrorist, and who still has not had any sympathetic or even clear motive revealed for doing it.

[(Anonymous)]

If they'd wanted to reinvent it they should have started that in the first movie though, not in the second where it just turned everything into a mess of discontinuity.

[(Anonymous)]

I agree. Why does everything have to focus on one dysfunctional family?

That Rey turns out to be Luke, or Leia's secret daughter or something would be too much. If what Kylo Ren claims is true, that would be more fitting.