[ SECRET POST #5811 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #5811 ⌋

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[fscom]

General comments:

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Is Wednesday depressing?

[rosehiptea]

I'm looking for something to watch and I'm thinking of Wednesday, but I don't want to watch anything too depressing right now. I don't consider fictional murder or the Addams family being the Addams family depressing, and I don't think the bullying would get to me in this context. Spoilers are OK but warn for other people of course.

Re: Is Wednesday depressing?

[(Anonymous)]

I'm halfway through- it's sort-of-dark, deadpan humour instead of depressing. Maybe a little cynical-modern? In that I could see Wednesday having a gothic Instagram.

She reminds me more of MJ from the Tom Holland Spider-Man movies than Wednesday from other Addams media (but that might just be me) and the rest of the show follows that kind of tone.

Re: Is Wednesday depressing?

[rosehiptea]

Thank you! That definitely helps.

Re: Is Wednesday depressing?

[(Anonymous)]

I didn’t find it even a little depressing. It’s dark for sure but never depressing. There is a lot of humour thrown in and the performances and cinematography are amazing! The story got a little too late MTV Teen Wolf for my tastes but it didn’t stop me watching. I watched all the eps in two days and I normally can’t stand to watch anything. This is the first show I’ve watched the complete season in three years.

Re: Is Wednesday depressing?

[(Anonymous)]

LOL, congrats on giving me a moment of existential vertigo. I didn't immediately realize that "Wednesday" in this context was a TV show.

Re: Is Wednesday depressing?

[greghousesgf]

I liked it but I had some problems with it. She doesn't get along with Gomez and Morticia which seems very OOC to me, several characters get murdered, (not saying which ones to avoid spoilers) Lurch doesn't get to do anything, Pugsley is very wimpy for some reason and there are a few parts that make no frigging sense. Uncle Fester is great in it but you have to be patient, he doesn't show up until fairly late in the show. Also there are two unfortunate implications, all the "outcasts" are literal monsters and a Black character trash talks Wednesday for being pale.

Random Genshin Bug (Viktor's quests in Mondtstadt / Spoilers Signora)

[(Anonymous)]

I made an account to go over the early lore that went over my head when I was new to Genshin, got the Tales of Winter commission for the first time, and as soon as I finished it, talking to Viktor again immediately got him to give me the opener for Equivalent Exchange. And I was like "what. No ... I can't do this before running Tales of Winter three times. Or I will never get the Snezhnaya Does Not Believe In Tears achievement." But also, he shouldn't be looking like a kicked puppy and making arrangements to be recalled to Snezhnaya yet. I haven't even been to Inazuma, much less killed Signora.

When I saw F!S had updated, I remembered I'd enjoyed talking to people here about Genshin and decided to share the confusion.

Re: Random Genshin Bug (Viktor's quests in Mondtstadt / Spoilers Signora)

[(Anonymous)]

You mean for your own story continuity peace of mind? Because the dailies keep repeating either way, he doesn't actually leave, afair.

Re: Random Genshin Bug (Viktor's quests in Mondtstadt / Spoilers Signora)

[(Anonymous)]

(one of the Genshin anons here!) to this day I don't have the Snezhnaya Does Not Believe In Tears achievement even though I remember doing plenty of Viktor's quests, not sure why. A lot of achievements/quests are buggy and require you to do the same thing many times over because of that, so maybe this is just one of them.

Good thing there is a Genshin thread because I had a Genshin secret and came here to vent. There's this art floating around:
https://twitter.com/tankaku_0/status/1599058950762434560
which I found suspiciously AI-like because of the random shadows in Diluc's eyes' area that make it look like they're behind/below a tree we can't see (since they clearly aren't in the same direction as his bangs). Well I had the original picture in a folder, so I looked for it, and, lo and behold, it's really similar but not the same. Like, uncannily similar.
https://ibb.co/QHM5p0K
Now I can't find the original artist in order to give them due credit in the tweet but the original picture was much better and I feel like maybe tankaku_0 is actually secretly an AI """""artist""""" (plagiarist). Food for thought.

How are people feeling about AI bots and AO3?

[(Anonymous)]

There's been a lot of folks on my dash getting really upset about the revelation that AI bots are out there scrubbing AO3 for data.

I've been very sanguine about it. These bots have existed for years, and I feel like people are only freaking out because Elon Musk was once associated with one of them (he no longer is). People are talking about archive locking fic under the mistaken assumption that bots can't have accounts; or talking about only posting fic on Tumblr under the mistaken assumption that bots aren't scrubbing Tumblr; or talking about putting everything they write in Google Docs under the mistaken assumption that Alphabet can't access it all. A lot of these people have shared AI-generated art and AI-generated writing in the past. Some have suggested that the bots should scrub digital books rather than their fanfic.

I'm kind of like... I've never expected my fanfic to be protected or safe in any way, and I don't understand these people who have, especially since so many seem to be aware of bots, and have at times used AI programs. I'm kind of like, "is this your first day on the internet?"

Anyway, what are the thoughts of y'all?

Re: How are people feeling about AI bots and AO3?

[(Anonymous)]

I knew nothing of it until someone randomly mentioned it on tumblr. I'm... honestly not sure what the big deal is, exactly? Are they scared their fic is going to be used against them or something? I'm like you, I never considered my fic to be safe, though I never post under my real name anyway.

Re: How are people feeling about AI bots and AO3?

[rosehiptea]

I basically agree with you. I'm not going to lock down my fic. I get kudos from guests who may not have accounts and I'm not going to give that up because a bot might scrape my fic. (Or make the guests give that up, not that I'm trying to imply that my fic is a gift to the world.) I've also heard that the bot(s) in question can't write actual stories from the stuff they collect, though I'm not sure if that's true or why. I get why people are freaked out at the idea that bots are collecting their fic, but the more I hear about it the less freaked out I am. Also I'm not sure what exactly they would want to do with my 300-word Pyramid Head/James smutfic, but I'll grant that I may only say that from a lack of imagination.

Re: How are people feeling about AI bots and AO3?

[(Anonymous)]

My feeling is that it's mostly immaterial whether or not you or I or anyone else likes it.

Re: How are people feeling about AI bots and AO3?

[(Anonymous)]

My biggest issue is that it's going to train the AIs with shitty fanfic writing, unless there's an actual human actively curating it, so only stuff that's got reasonable grammar and spelling gets put into the mix.

Unless, of course, they're making a Shitty Fanfic Bot.

Re: How are people feeling about AI bots and AO3?

[(Anonymous)]

I will simply stand against it with the fury of a thousand suns because I don't want Elon Musk profiting off of other people's works.

Re: How are people feeling about AI bots and AO3?

[(Anonymous)]

My thoughts are merely that I am very sick of soulless writing/drawings/etc (tbh I refuse to call any of it art …) and have been for a long time now. The state of art in general is just so sad, everything is for porn, a quick fap to handle the next workday, literally or metaphorically. It’s about how we consume art and, well, different strokes for different people, but personally I don’t want to consume any art that isn’t made by a well-intentioned real human person. And maybe this is why I haven’t enjoyed much of anything commercial in a long while.

When I was in my psych bachelor long ago, my field of interest was psych of perception and art and my best friend was an engineering dropout who claimed to have dropped out because he didn’t want to take part in the creepy robot future. The more I live the more I get his point.

No opinion on AO3 AI because I don’t write more than a couple of fics in a decade, but I draw and have a lot to say on AI in the visual arts …

Re: How are people feeling about AI bots and AO3?

[(Anonymous)]

Fandom has managed to humiliate and stop companies that try to make money off what was never theirs in the past. And the AO3 employs lawyers. If bots manage to make a nuisance of themselves or whatever, I expect fandom to have the means to turn that into a huge scandal, or the AO3 to get judges and courts involved. Or both.

On a related note, who remembers the "United breaks guitars" song?

Re: How are people feeling about AI bots and AO3?

[pantswarrior]

Yeah so, about this having happened for awhile, upon hearing this news, I immediately thought of a couple years ago when I was writing a remix of one of my old fics (same story, some of the same scenes, but from a different character's perspective) and just for kicks I let one of the free word count pages run a grammar/whatever check on a chapter I fed into it - and was startled to find that the page thought that it was highly likely to have been plagiarized.

After trying to figure that out for a while I realized it was almost certainly recognizing some of the same dialogue and similar descriptions for the action occurring from the original fic I was remixing which has been sitting on AO3 for 10 years.

So I mean... as much as I'm not thrilled about it, I'm assuming it's already too late, people have been doing this kind of thing, anything public on the internet has always been at risk of "the wrong person/bots/etc." seeing it.

Re: How are people feeling about AI bots and AO3?

[(Anonymous)]

It icks me the same way the Turnitin thing did - I'm not a fan, but it's not really something I can opt out of if I want people to read my fic.

(The Turnitin thing was where students realised their essays were being used to see if anyone had plagiarised them by the for-profit plagiarism software universities had them submit their work to.)

Re: How are people feeling about AI bots and AO3?

[(Anonymous)]

My major qualm with this is like any data collection when pertaining to entertainment media: these stats show us what's popular, not so much what's special or good and using this to make new things will only keep creating mundane shit. Everything has something that appeals a little to everyone in someway and it's all done based upon a formula because formulas work. And...it makes a lot of stuff feel so homogeneous.
But yeah, the fear of having your stuff be collected and somehow repurposed isn't my greatest concern since it happens with or without the AI bots. It still makes me feel uneasy but all tech does, even the stuff I enjoy.

What I'm most bothered by is this feels like yet another attack on creativity. Turning art into something to fit into neat boxes for mass consumption. Curating for mass consumption, not really because someone wants to tell their story/have their voice heard. That's what I'm afraid of, angry about.

Re: How are people feeling about AI bots and AO3?

[(Anonymous)]

I think as a site which depends on people ripping off others original works to create theirs, AO3 has no room to whine about AI bots scraping their site.

Re: How are people feeling about AI bots and AO3?

[(Anonymous)]

I'm creeped out in the same way that I am by AI art, in that I think it's both kind of cool and also shitty if it's going to put actual humans out of work.

Also I find it interesting that the art bots I've seen so far tend to have a recognizable style. Not like "oh yes this is AI art" necessarily, but all of a particular bot's art kind of looks like it might be by one person, even if it's one person experimenting with different styles and mediums.

As someone who can't really draw, I'm tempted by AI art generators just to play around, but I wouldn't try and sell the output. I wonder if people who currently commission fics will eventually plug prompts into writing AI instead? Never tried or wanted to make money off my fic so idc.

And I guess I'm less worried about AI fic than AI "original" writing. How long until someone publishes an AI generated bestseller? (I mean, if you trained one on all of Patterson's writer stable, would it be that different from the next Patterson book?)

Re: How are people feeling about AI bots and AO3?

[(Anonymous)]

I agree no one's fic has ever been "safe."

Also, while I haven't given it a ton of thought, I think the place where human creators are most likely to be edged out by AI art first is in the commercial realm, by which I mean things like illustrations and stock photos that accompany news articles, or art that hangs in hotel rooms, or music that plays during a TV commercial - things that function mostly to take up visual and auditory space and to set a mood (and therefore have a very real influence on how people respond to these things) but are not the things the consumer is actually supposed to be focusing on.

All new novels suddenly becoming shitty AI-generated creations because they were trained on shitty fanfic is not a near-future fear we should have. What makes a novel a bestseller is that it sells a lot of copies because a lot of people want to read it. If it's a piece of shit, people won't buy it.

Also, AI isn't going to take over fanfic. There's no money to be made in fic posted for free on the internet, so no one is going to create AI fic as a commercial enterprise. Some people might post clearly tagged AI stuff for a laugh, or even pass it off as their own because they want attention, but none of that will stop actual humans from having creative impulses (or shipping) and writing new fic for whatever show is their new obsession.

I don't know what the future holds, but the AI-fic-pocalype is not nigh.

[(Anonymous)]

watching West and Musk dig their holes deeper would be funnier if news sites didn’t give them the decency of a post, since these guys should not be given any platform whatsoever