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⌈ Secret Post #6021 ⌋

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Comments

Re: Secrets you don't want to make...

[(Anonymous)]

I don't like non-canonically* trans characters in smutfics. I'm fine with them in fics that don't have sex scenes or at least not explicit ones. This usually happens with F/F and M/M ships and 99% of the time only one of them is trans and always has the genitalia of opposite sex, making the whole thing a het porn. And it's always written exactly like regular F/M smut. Which is not what I came to read about in a gay tag. Sometimes it just feels like what the author really wanted was to genderswap one half of the couple, but didn't want to get the flak for turning a gay ship into het one, so used transness as a loophole (probably not the actual intention, but it's what it feels like).

*This does not bother me when the character is actually trans in canon

Re: Secrets you don't want to make...

[(Anonymous)]

My biggest annoyances with that sort of thing is that the character being trans is often untagged, and the smut is almost always standard piv (also often untagged) or cunnilingus because those seem to be the only two sex acts that are acceptable with female body parts these days. I don't mind the trans smut fic existing, but it's not something I seek out and I hate being surprised by it.

Re: Secrets you don't want to make...

[(Anonymous)]

I've definitely seen fics that I think are doing this, and I stay away, too. So very not my thing.

Re: Secrets you don't want to make...

[(Anonymous)]

This sums up why I hate omegaverse

Re: Secrets you don't want to make...

[(Anonymous)]

Yup. I don't want to deal with with piv in a fic, I don't read smut for that. And it's rarely someone using strap-on or having fun with genitalia that undergoes changes, nah, it's all insert penis in a vagina.

I've never met it in F/F ships though, but I don't read a lot F/F so.

Re: Secrets you don't want to make...

[(Anonymous)]

This is kind of a tangent, kind of related to what you were saying about the het porn vibes. Sometimes I think authors writing a character as trans don't want to be offensive by tagging it with kinks like feminization or breeding. Or maybe some people are ashamed of being into "problematic" kinks like that, lol. I don't know why, what you said about using a trans character instead of genderbending might be true for some too. But it honestly weirds me out more when it's not tagged that way but the entire fic is suddenly about the big strong cis man character PIV impregnating the girly submissive trans man character, or another kinky scenario that seems to come out of nowhere. Nothing against the kinks, I enjoy stuff like that myself sometimes, but when it's not what I'm looking for I... would rather read something else. I do wish authors would tag kinks more often both for when I want to read and don't want to read!

Re: Secrets you don't want to make...

[(Anonymous)]

Yep, I also feel like a lot of trans fic is only the sneaky socially acceptable way for het fans trying to profit from the popularity of a slash ship without actually having to write the icky gay.

Re: Secrets you don't want to make...

[(Anonymous)]

Honestly, I get that vibe too a fair amount of the time. It reminds me of all the m/m ships in anime fandoms that got genderbent to het in anime fandom back in the the 00's and early 20teens.

Re: Secrets you don't want to make...

[(Anonymous)]

As a trans person: it's more I get tired of people passing over fics I pour my heart and soul into just because they find vaginas icky and only care about (white) dicks touching. Just because one of them is a trans man and has a vagina currently doesn't mean that it isn't gay, and it's really saying a lot that most people find it "het" just because of the sexual parts involved. :/

Re: Secrets you don't want to make...

[(Anonymous)]

Boohoo, people don't want about your totally not het PIV sex in a gay fic, cry me a river. If someone doesn't want to read that, sucks for you, but it's still their decision and not yours. And if someone doesn't want surprise cunt in their m/m smut, though shit, you'll just have to deal with that.
Also, a LOT of those stories are written exactly the same as het smut scenes, vocabulary, stereotyped characterisation and all. There is a reason why plenty of people have the impression that it's just het disguised as gay with the added bonus to cash in on "look I'm so progressive" points and if your fic looks like that to someone it probably just sucks.

Re: Secrets you don't want to make...

[(Anonymous)]

"It's het just because the parts involved" is transphobic. It's still a gay ship. You guys just don't want to admit how ingrained "vagina = woman" is to you.

Re: Secrets you don't want to make...

[(Anonymous)]

nayrt

Or maybe they just don't want to read about vaginas in their m/m smutfic, and would appreciate a label letting them know that that this fic isn't going to be their cuppa.

Re: Secrets you don't want to make...

[(Anonymous)]

Not to be vaguely nasty like the above anon, but yes. It's exactly that. I find vaginas nasty because I have one and I am only interested in dicks touching if we are talking about smut.
I haven't read a lot of fics with trans characters but some fics that I've read were indeed quite stereotypically het. (And some were blatant suffering porn that's another... thing)
But I know people who are strongly into trans!porn and like to read about trans characters so surely you must have your readers even if it's not wider audience.

Re: Secrets you don't want to make...

[(Anonymous)]

I know I was harsh but fuck, I'm tired of people trying to police other people's smut preferences by vaguely shaming them for not being inclusive/progressive enough for their tastes (see "ew you nasties just want to see white dicks touch").

Re: Secrets you don't want to make...

[(Anonymous)]

DA

This comment makes me hope that the next Language Files video explores the linguistic implications of phrasing such as "I know I _____, but...." and "I'm not _____, but...." and how this all impacts (online) discussion/debate/argument.

Re: Secrets you don't want to make...

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT
I agree! I believe original comment came from frustration, but still I don't like being judged for my preferences in porn

DA

[(Anonymous)]

But 9/10 that is exactly what people want. It's pretty okay for people to be frustrated the fandom skews very white and het (and yeah, sorry, but 75% of gay fanfic is written for straight girls to get their rocks off to dicks touching). And every time someone brings up that maybe people should question why they ship only white people or a majority white people, especially when there are PoC RIGHT THERE in the same canons, they're screamed down.

Re: Secrets you don't want to make...

[(Anonymous)]

I ship everything all around - het, slash, threesomes (and moresomes) in all configurations. I'm all for both vaginas and dicks. But majority of trans smut I've come across is utterly indistinguishable from het smut asides from both parties using the same pronouns.
I think the biggest culprit here is that most smut tends to be pwp, so genitalias touching makes up 98% of the story. It might be different in a longer fic that gets to explore the character's transness outside of sex as well. But if you come into a fic for the sole purpose of seeing two dudes getting hot'n'heavy only to get served bog standard piv... yeah I'd dismiss the fic too.

Re: Secrets you don't want to make...

[(Anonymous)]

I get what you're saying, but I don't think it's saying anything about your fanfiction quality, about the validity of trans smut, or any of that when someone does only want to read about certain sex acts for the purpose of light entertainment. Yes, it can be frustrating to be passed over by prejudiced readers, and to write something more niche means fewer readers will be interested, it's annoying. But you shouldnt feel your fanfic is lesser because you're writing to a certain niche and I don't think dropping the tags will draw in many new readers who are genuinely there for what you're making. The people who are looking in tags for your trans fic will miss out!

Now, the het comments could be worded better from some anons here. I personally don't think all trans guy/cis guy smut comes across that way, just like how not all slash has omegaverse tropes but you will find that in a lot of slash and it's not everyone's thing. A lot of trans smut fic does play with an exaggerated hetero dynamic and kinks associated with hetero sex. A lot of trans authors use erotica as a way of working out feelings about sexual gender roles, a lot of people don't have any deep reason to be into that stuff, you know how it is, but I think some of what the comments here are getting at is that having totally unexpected sex acts and kinks in fic can be a negative experience as a reader, which I can agree with. Hopefully that makes sense.

Re: Secrets you don't want to make...

[(Anonymous)]

This ^

Re: Secrets you don't want to make...

[(Anonymous)]

It really just, to me, exposes how much of trans people are still considered just faking it to most people. "It's really just people wanting to disguise their het" is all over this thread, and like. Sorry, but het shit and trans shit aren't gonna be written very differently because there's only so many ways to write fucking. It basically makes me wish I'd never come out as a trans man at this point because we're treated like such shit. "It's got a vagina, therefore it's actually het" is disgusting and frankly speaks a lot as to how people view sex and gender as intertwined to all degrees and unable to be unlinked.

People don't really LOOK for trans fic. If they do, half the time it's to tell me to kill myself. Trans fic is even less liked or looked for than f/f.

At this point, I just wish these assholes would admit they're transphobic with that reasoning than pretending they care.

Re: Secrets you don't want to make...

[(Anonymous)]

I sympathize with that a lot. It can be really isolating in fandom. People in this thread have been saying very insensitive stuff. There will always be assholes and people who just don't get it, but there will always be people who do get it or are willing to learn, too. And hey, I look for trans fanfic! I find trans headcanons really interesting to think about and sometimes they've given me a better appreciation of the canon version of the character. I think it may depend on your fandom as well, some of my fandoms have had tons of popular trans fic, some very little to be found. And your social group makes a difference, when it comes to a bigger fandom.

Smut fanfic can be a very shallow place because people are looking for very specific things (for better and worse), so sometimes it helps me to take a step back and spend time in other areas of fandom or non fandom social spaces. Somewhere more chill, maybe just chatting with fandom friends or working on our fics together. As you said yourself, sometimes trans fic and het fic will have similarities, which isn't what certain readers want to read. That doesn't make the fic bad, real life trans/cis relationships straight, your personal take on gay trans erotica wrong to write the way you like to write it. My fic tends to be for small fandoms and rarepairs, and focused on my own specific interests (including trans headcanons), so I sometimes don't get much engagement on my stuff. I'd rather write what I like for the small audience who likes it than write to please a bigger crowd, and I'd rather be myself than pretend to be someone else to be more accepted, even though yeah, it is super shitty sometimes.

I just don't think dropping the tags solves the problem for me, it may get a bit more engagement but also would lose engagement from the people who *are* searching for it, and I don't want to deal with the understandable frustration from people who expected something else.

Re: Secrets you don't want to make...

[(Anonymous)]

and it's really saying a lot that most people find it "het" just because of the sexual parts involved. :/

I get this, it did make me immediately cringe when it was called “het” just because a trans man had a vagina, because he’s still a man, and they’re still a gay couple.

But not only can it be annoying when you want specific kinds of genitalia in the smut you’re reading, because it can take you out of the experience; but it can be very dysphoric for some trans people reading to have genitalia that wasn’t warned for in these smut stories. So trans!fic should always be appropriately tagged.

Re: Secrets you don't want to make...

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah I'm sorry but if your fic has vaginal sex in it I'm not reading it, no matter the identity of the person. And stop trying to shame people for not being into whatever you write. It doesn't matter the reason, if they don't like it they don't like it. Don't make it about you.

Re: Secrets you don't want to make...

[(Anonymous)]

Trying to trick people into reading your trans headcanons by not tagging them is guaranteed to make people pass over all your precious fic because most who don't want to read this will just block you in general in the future.