[ SECRET POST #6036 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #6036 ⌋

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07. https://64.media.tumblr.com/d9b7e6b5ef72c52cf0e911dd136adc52/ae82881608462ce5-fe/s1280x1920/7688e0beadac9f5a125e597d8e4dd0b32fd87ab3.png

Transcript by OP

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Transcript: I will never understand how this fandom's leading ship ended up being these two.
Phoenix Wright: The most hetero man who's ever hetero'd.
- Very much lusted after April May on first sight.
- Clearly turned on by the sight of Maya in a maid outfit.
- Canonically dated "Dollie" for 6 months in college, still carried feelings for her 11 years later.
- Extremely uncomfortable when either Jean Armstrong or Max Galactica flirted with him.
- Has notably failed to demonstrate attraction of any kind to other men.
Miles Edgeworth: The biggest autistic aroace vibes I have ever seen, personified.
- Has failed to demonstrate attraction of any kind to anyone, ever.
- Does Not Understand emotions in general or how to express them.
- Extremely Confused whenever anyone flirts with him, doesn't seem to even recognise it.
- Canonically does not understand romantic love, has stated he never wants to marry.
s!B I feel like this ship is so ubiquitous, pointing out how OOC it is for both of them would get me death threats. I already have to avoid the entire fandom to keep the ick out of sight...

[(Anonymous)]

Speaking as someone who also does not ship it: it's really, really obvious where the fandom gets it.

These two are one of the biggest and most important personal relationships in each others' lives. They have a literal lifetime of ones' actions impacting the other significantly, sometimes deciding the course of their life/career. They are unquestionably significant to each other, care about each other, and Very Important Feelings of some sort exist, and that in theory can cause a lot of exceptions to be possible and a lot of exceptions to be made and possibly bleed into romance.

This is not to say that fandom writes this ship well or writes it believably most of the time, but that's true of every ship that fandom writes.

But I suppose if you're at the stage of "but they aren't gay in canon!" as rationale for not-shipping, then you might be new in fandom, and may not know that shipping any two characters because of the above stuff is like, the most common thing ever? Idk what to tell you besides to expect it literally everywhere.

On the other hand if you simply don't like this ship, you can just say that, you know. I don't care for it. Easy peasy no dramatics

+1

[(Anonymous)]

one would have to be young and new to fandom to not see that the dynamic is 100000000% How A Ship Is Born. I have seen bigger juggernaut ships formed out of flimsier substance than AA has ever given us.

Character A shown dating women, Character B being emotionally constipated, A&B have a lifetime of heavy emotional codependence, that's Shipping 101. Nobody gives a fuck how many women Nick might have made eyes at, he can be functionally bi or bi-for-that-guy easily. 90s-level haha gay jokes trans jokes aren't drag queens and gay guys gross? is not anything anyone should use for evidence. But uh. Reading Edgeworth as autistic is um. Yeah. That's why OP should keep this secret.

[(Anonymous)]

The "These two characters are literally, 100% made for each other and if they don't get together for real I will pine and die" segment of fandom may be loud, but they will always be outnumbered by the "I like these characters. What if they fuck?" contingent. It sucks when you hate the juggernaut ship, but it's not nearly as complicated as you think it is.

[(Anonymous)]

"I like these characters. What if they fuck?" is 90% of my ships, ngl.

[(Anonymous)]

Not gonna lie, your reasons for why you don't understand it honestly make me want to ship it. I'm not even in this fandom and they sound fun together!

[(Anonymous)]

I like the idea of a guy who's always been into women (until now) and a guy who's very reserved when it comes to romance and emotions getting together, just a fun shipping dynamic. I always thought of Edgeworth as gay tbh, but I can see where you got your reading. But I don't think there's any deep reason for it being popular except people like the characters separately and like them together. They're handsome guys with an interesting dynamic. If you prefer ships with more canonical backing, I don't think any of this will convince you otherwise. It's always annoying to not be into the big fandom ship, I've felt that way in a few fandoms myself.

[(Anonymous)]

Bisexuality is a thing. Also, someone who is bisexual doesn't have the obligation to find everyone attractive to an equal degree. Just because he isn't into two guys who flirt with him unprompted doesn't mean he can't be attracted/interested in another guy, especially one he has an emotional connection and a long history/friendship with.

Also... you whole thing about Miles being such an autistic aroace is cringy as hell. Sure, you can headcanon that all you like but that doesn't mean it actually is canon in any way. He mainly is (canonically) a deeply traumatized character who grew up in an immensely emotionally abusive household for most of his life - his adoptive father murdered his real dad, for crying out loud. Colour me shocked that he has issues expressing his emotions and opening up to people.
So ship them, don't ship them, I don't care. But your points are really... not convincing in the least.

[cakemage]

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[(Anonymous)]

Exactly what I was coming to say!

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[(Anonymous)]

You. I like you.

[(Anonymous)]

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[(Anonymous)]

I'd be uncomfortable if those two characters flirted with me, too?

Like. They're the most bisexual duo ever. Nevermind that their entire character arc is basically the prototypical "childhood sweethearts" story but lawyers and the only reason people DON'T see it is they're both men. If one of them was a woman, there'd BE no complaints or denial.

Also like, this art is official: https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/aceattorney/images/5/51/Chocolate_Wright.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20230314005440

Edgeworth is literally helping lovingly sculpt Nick's shoulderblades. He's the one with the photo of that right there.

I'm sorry you like Nick with Maya, who is canonically 16 to Nick's 24.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm sorry you like Nick with Maya

It all makes sense now. The OP is Pearl. She discovered the joys of technology and grew up to be a chronically online teenager.

[(Anonymous)]

Maya's 18 to Nick's 24 in the first game.

[(Anonymous)]

"the only reason people DON'T see it is they're both men. If one of them was a woman, there'd BE no complaints or denial." aaaaand you're not wrong.

[(Anonymous)]

Did you seriously use every fucking autistic negative stereotype in the book to justify your shitty headcanon

[(Anonymous)]

Oh yes, he totes can't be bi or gay because he cringed at being flirted with... The fake French chef who's a flamboyant gay stereotype and the circus dude who's such a failman that his cards go everywhere and his own case is almost universally reviled in the fandom.

For the record, these are the two people Nick is uncomfortable with:

Jean Armstrong: https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/aceattorney/images/c/ce/Jean_Armstrong_OA.png/revision/latest?cb=20220619153501

Max Galactica, who, btw, WAS WANTING TO MARRY A 16-YEAR-OLD!?: https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/aceattorney/images/8/8f/Max.PNG/revision/latest?cb=20150901195042

[(Anonymous)]

Damn, don't threaten me with a good time, OP. I've only played one AA game and I've only read porn of these two when my kink shows up in it, but those descriptions are making me want to read 100,000+ word epic romances about them.

[(Anonymous)]

"Clearly" lusted after April May and was turned on by Maya? What??? None of those evidential points about Phoenix being into women are true except the Dollie one. They're as much the result of you reading what you want to read into things as you think Wrightworth shippers do.

[(Anonymous)]

My #1 AA ship will always be Klapollo but I can fully see where Narumitsu gets its popularity from.

As for Phoenix: Bisexuals exist first of all, and pretty sure "gay panic" is a widely known concept? Older Phoenix comes across as more comfortable and potentially bi too. As for Edgeworth: agreed on the autistic aroace vibes actually, but some ace-spec people are demi/gray and do fall in love once in a blue moon (cough, autistic ace 🙋 )

Needless to say, there's a lot of other "hints" such as the "unnecessary feelings" (a classic) the mutual "I NEED to see HIM" feelings and the respect, the friends-to-rivals-to-friends trope, his apparent secret (https://muzyoshi.tumblr.com/post/707343460824432640/miles-edgeworths-secret) etc. When it comes to shipping of course preferences are personal, but as far as subtext goes those two's is very much intentional at the very least.

(sidenote: I have only ever published one Narumitsu fic and it's one-side pining on Miles' part. And probably some on the kink meme years ago but cannot remember ... but I like it regardless)

[(Anonymous)]

From what I understand, it was heavily inspired by gay manga. I don't know if Takumi intended for them to be gay and in love, but I can see where some of the fuel for the ship comes from.

Also... let's face it. If either Phoenix or Edgeworth were female, the masses would absolutely be shipping it (too) and wouldn't assume Phoenix's motives were simply platonic.

Personally, I wasn't sold on Feenie/Dollie, but I guess something about Iris really drove the man crazy. But previously having a relationship with a woman doesn't mean Phoenix can't be into other men. Neither does being turned off by specific men.

I see Phoenix as being either straight or bi, and Edgeworth as being likely ace but possibly open to having the rare person rock his world. But it would have to be a very special person. (That's just my opinion, though, nobody has to agree with it.)

[(Anonymous)]

I like this ship but I prefer edgeworth/gumshoe tbh

OP

[(Anonymous)]

So, cool, lots of mocking comments from people who clearly didn't read the secret, I figured that would happen. Wrightworth shippers can't handle being told their ship makes no sense and to just cool off a minute.

As a nonshipper trying to engage in fandom, that almost everything I come across is untagged "this ship is totally canon" Wrightworth shipping told me you guys would react like this if I asked publicly for acknowledgement not everyone ships this or wants to see it. I guess I was just hoping to be proven wrong.

You guys who were actually normal about this, thanks. I appreciate you guys.

Canon Edgeworth > Fanon Edgeworth.