[ SECRET POST #092 ]

[grayout.livejournal.com]

⌈ Secret Post #092 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe.

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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 03 pages, 61 secrets from Secret Submission Post #014.
Secrets Not Posted: 0 broken links, 0 not!secrets, 0 not!fandom.
Next Secret Post: Tomorrow, Sunday, April 8th, 2007.
Current Secret Submission Post: Here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[ironjill.livejournal.com]

Its the fact that as soon as my close friends were gay, they decided they had to crossdress, and that they had to talk with a lisp, and had to wear makeup...

I just...don't understand why people have to change to advertise something they've discovered about themselves. =/

[shahni.livejournal.com]

I agree with this comment. However, I think the original secret was just worded poorly, because if you're writing fiction about homosexual characters, there's tolerance towards it, right?

Also? Salaam. ♥ I'm a born, raised, practicing Muslim myself.

[ironjill.livejournal.com]

Yeah...exactly. I mean, I can't hate anyone...I don't think I have the bones in my body...but its that attitude that just really gets to me.

[ew-younerd.livejournal.com]

Well, you're not in their position so you are not one to say. I'm a lesbian, but I don't go around parading it. However, someone doing that doesn't bother me because I'm not a douche.

I mean yes, I'm all for gay rights, but when people are going IM GAY, THIS IS HOW I AM LOLZ IM FLAMBOYANT NOW GIVE ME RIGHTS and everyone's all "... whoa," then...

You do realize that this is what white people say about the difference between blacks and the 'n' word? "Oh they're fine if they dress and act like us! But if they start wearing baggy clothes and talking funny, I don't like them"

It bothers you because you're letting it bother you. I understand you don't hate it or anything, but you definitely sound intolerant.

[grayout.livejournal.com]

That way, it's justifiable to get angry whenever anyone fits in to a community.

No, I was saying it's justifiable to get angry when someone changes in order to fit into a community.

What mangas they like and how they dress isn't really their... personality, you know?

Was that "please" really necessary?

[ew-younerd.livejournal.com]

Maybe it's just their way of saying "Wow, I feel alone; let me try desperately to fit in with someone else because society has pounded it into my head that I am different and I am abnormal and people need to tolerate and accept things about me."

[infringe.livejournal.com]

WRONG. MANA-SAMA.

And his dresses win, omg. But he's pretty stuck-up. But he redeemed himself by saying he doesn't care if people download as long as people get the music. (That's okay. I've been in this fandom long enough to assume everyone who looks female is a guy, so when I see a person who looks like a girl and IS a girl-- that's when I get shocked. xDDD)

[ironjill.livejournal.com]

Well, I don't hate gay people at all, far from it. ♥ Its just the way that people have to suddenly change. I mean...I'm really anti-camp or whatever, thinking that someone has to act a certain way to fit in with others...Maybe its just me, but really, I don't like to see people change themselves to fit in.

[(Anonymous)]

4. . . .oh, fuck, but this secret makes me sad. And the people *agreeing* with it make me even sadder.

[grayout.livejournal.com]

I didn't say I was bothered by them actually being flamboyant, I said I was bothered by the fact that I think doing that and then turning around and going ACCEPT US!!!! when they know people won't is kind of... strange.

And this is why I said "I wish people could just tone down the blatantness and just... you know, blend in, without feeling like they're giving up their 'identity.'"

[ovendoor.livejournal.com]

I agree that there are plently of people that stay closeted because they can't deal with the fear of being gay, i really do. But i haven't been in that particular situation before, so i can't completely understand how someone like that would feel, but i grew up in a place where it was alright to be different and express who you are, so i've never hard to experience something like that. I was just brought up to be proud of who i was and what i am, so i guess im slightly ignorant towards the idea of 'not being able to express yourself' type thing. Sorry if i offended you.

[pussyfortono]

THAT WAS HOT.

[(Anonymous)]

Wow, way to generalize white people.

[shahni.livejournal.com]

Hating is a waste of energy. And it's not even that you HATE it, like-- I have a teacher who's admittedly, the strangest I've seen because I've never BEEN EXPOSED to people like this before. It's never been open where I've lived but she ( it's a man but he prefers being called 'she') is one of the most sweetest people I've seen and met. And even more amusingly, she has a girlfriend who's, in the social sense, 'normal' by whatever standards you'd like to give them.

It's when people USE that sort of attitude (the whole 180 flamboyance and being what they're not) for a bad reason (attention whoring) that it becomes a wtf scenario.

[ew-younerd.livejournal.com]

No, I was saying it's justifiable to get angry when someone changes in order to fit into a community.

Are they changing their values and what makes them who they are, or are they just changing the way they dress and the pitch of their voice? Sorry, my friendships aren't based on such arbitrary things, but I guess to each their own.

I didn't mean to completely correlate manga and identifying with a sexuality, but friendships do end over fandom differences. In the end, it's all about intolerance and friendships being based on the fact that someone fits in to your social circle; once they deviate from it, people become judgmental. The powers of the monkeysphere.

[ew-younerd.livejournal.com]

Hey moron, I was giving example of white people who say that exactly. I could give an example of women who hate men, or men who hate women, or gays who hate straight people. It doesn't mean I'm saying it applies to everyone.

[shahni.livejournal.com]

You can say this for every writer in the world who does do that, then?

[grayout.livejournal.com]

So there's no tolerance besides 100% support?

I'm sorry, just things you'n your friend are saying make it sound that way.

Maybe I need to rethink myself, I've never been accused of being intolerant before when I was like "hey let everyone do their own thing."

[infringe.livejournal.com]

NO U.

[ovendoor.livejournal.com]

That's what i thought too, that it was worded poorly.
And, i don't understand how someone can write gay porn and not tolerate it, so in my oppinion i believe the person does tolerate it in some form or other.

Ohhh, hello XD! ♥

[ew-younerd.livejournal.com]

Oh I know that. And to an extent I agree that it can be annoying when a friend changes who they are to fit in to something. But it doesn't apply just solely to gay people, and this originated from attacking 'campy' gay men, which felt like it was alienating them. I don't agree with changing yourself to fit in, but I can understand people changing shallow aspects of themselves to fit in. Just because I understand it it doesn't mean I enjoy or admire it, but I don't let it bother me.

[ironjill.livejournal.com]

Maybe it is. Its quite possible, and that sort of thing really makes me depressed, because if someone has to change the way they are because they feel alone, then there's something wrong with the society. My friend had a close-knit group of friends who love and care for him like a brother; me included, and to suddenly have to change to fit in? It doesn't sit well with me. I mean, maybe its because I've never felt that drive be accepted by everyone else...but I guess it just doesn't make sense to me.

[shahni.livejournal.com]

You're doing it wrong, son. You're either with them or against them. Make your choice, there's no middle ground.

[grayout.livejournal.com]

Are they changing their values and what makes them who they are

I don't know, are they? Is he? He isn't my friend, he's hers. I'm giving her the benefit of the doubt. I know people that HAVE changed their values and what makes them who they are over being gay, and that makes me really sad.

[ew-younerd.livejournal.com]

I understand what you said once you started elaborating and apologize for any vindictive tone I had; however, if they want people to accept them even if they know people won't, there's really nothing wrong with that. It takes a lot of courage to do that, no matter how annoying you may act in doing so.