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Generational differences when it comes to how you feel about politics?

[(Anonymous)]

It feels like my parents' generation (boomers) has this idea that "politics" is somehow completely separate from who a person is. That you can think gay and trans people shouldn't have rights, that immigrants are destroying the country, that black people should "just comply with cops" and they wouldn't get shot, that rape victims shouldn't be able to get abortions because it goes against some people's religious beliefs, and those things are just "politics" and you can believe them and still be a good person if you're "nice" to people you know personally. I was having an argument with my dad about Trump supporters and he claims I shouldn't be upset about their "politics" because they're still good people and having those beliefs does not make someone a bad person. To me, someone's "politics" says a lot about their character, and believing that trans people don't have the right to exist, gay people shouldn't have the same rights as straight people, and a woman should be forced to carry her rapist's baby absolutely make you a bad person.

I don't know if it's a generational thing because most people I know in my generation (millennials) feel the way I do (that your "politics" say a lot about what type of person you are), or if it's because he has the privilege of being a straight white male (I'm a queer woman), or if he's just more conservative than I'd realized, or what, but it's really fucking frustrating and annoying.

Re: Generational differences when it comes to how you feel about politics?

[(Anonymous)]

Germany immediately post-1945 often had people trying to say very similar things, that politics and good person-ness were separate. I wonder why?

There is a regular poster on here who will be along shortly, no doubt to excoriate you and call you terminally online (as if everyone and their crazy grandma is not online these days) for daring to say this though.

Re: Generational differences when it comes to how you feel about politics?

[(Anonymous)]

My dude are you the one anon that thinks everyone is online all day everyday and there is no excuse for not knowing celebrity gossip?

Re: Generational differences when it comes to how you feel about politics?

[(Anonymous)]

jesus christ

Re: Generational differences when it comes to how you feel about politics?

[(Anonymous)]

Lol, you don't "dare" anything. This is an anonymous fandom message board, the stakes don't get any lower. Great job on Godwin's lawing the first comment ITT though.

Re: Generational differences when it comes to how you feel about politics?

[(Anonymous)]

That is not politics. Look up the word.

Re: Generational differences when it comes to how you feel about politics?

[(Anonymous)]

So you think politics and beliefs are the same thing, your parents think beliefs and politics are separate and the two can condratict each other.

Re: Generational differences when it comes to how you feel about politics?

[(Anonymous)]

My dad's part of the Silent Generation (the one before Baby Boomers) and as an educational consultant who wrote a lot of grants and helped with federal definitions, he'd been around a lot of state and federal politicians. And I can tell you he thinks that a lot of politicians (on both sides) are dumbasses (I agree) and that a lot of people shoot themselves in the foot when it comes to politics, not thinking of the far-reaching consequences when it comes to who they choose to vote for. I mean, he does still stereotype people sometimes, but for the most part he does think that people who try to take away others' rights are not good people. But he would find a way to work with them to reach his goals if he thought it was necessary and that he would be polite to them.

Re: Generational differences when it comes to how you feel about politics?

[(Anonymous)]

USA is crazy with your democrats and republicans, and so called boomers. Those are people in their 70s, they have dementia to deal with.
From the outsider's POV politics obsessed americans are very lame. They usually have no actual knowledge about their representives and actual policies behind the politicians' rethorics. Stupid people making their identity about their uninformed political views.

Re: Generational differences when it comes to how you feel about politics?

[(Anonymous)]

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Also sorry if the dementia remark sounds insensitive. Not all old people suffer from mental issues.

Re: Generational differences when it comes to how you feel about politics?

[(Anonymous)]

While I don’t disagree that politics and self are entwined, it is a very recent paradigm shift. I’m from the generation before you and my father from the generation before you father’s. I’ve been gradually shifting over the last ten years towards politics and self being entwined, but even five years ago I would have said they aren’t. It was gradual and the result of being in constant contact with people who believe that and, to an extent, mimicking them. I’m far from the only Gen X-er like that but overall most of my generation still seems to view them as separate.
As for my father, he and everyone I have ever known from his generation, tend to view it both ways but not in a positive way. They’re separate. Unless a person’s political beliefs are contrary to their own, in which case the person is a bad person overall.
My mother was an exception to that; most of her friends had polar opposite political views but it wasn’t an issue. They just didn’t talk politics and everything was fine.

Re: Generational differences when it comes to how you feel about politics?

[(Anonymous)]

my parents (boomers) and myself (millennial) all agree that if you vote for bigots and have bigoted beliefs then you're a bigot. politics are about personal values now, not just about what some politician is going to do about fixing some potholes in the roads or whether they're going to raise/lower your taxes. it's actually about how your beliefs and decisions effect other people's rights and personal freedoms and about whether democracy will still exist in 2025 or not.

we of course know conservatives and have family members who are conspiracy theorists and we consider them to be confused, brainwashed or willfully stupid. mostly we agree that they've been brainwashed into being afraid of everyone who isn't straight/white/christian. it also drives me and my parents crazy when people pretend like climate change doesn't exist. basically we just can't stand people who delude themselves into a reality of their own making rather than take responsibility for their own shit.

anyway, i'm glad my parents and i are on the same page. for context, none of us are religious and we all think organized religion is a scam even though we live in a red state. in other words, i'm glad i was raised by intelligent people with common sense.

Re: Generational differences when it comes to how you feel about politics?

[(Anonymous)]

Wow, I'm on the younger side of this comm (late 20s) and I do think of politics as personal. I don't know how much that is generational. I do think people my age and younger see politics as an expression of personal beliefs, sometimes to a degree I find excessive, such as with infighting between groups who share overall common goals... That said, I do feel similar to you when it comes to people who have extremely conservative politics with exceptions, I certainly don't feel respected by people with homophobic politics even if they make a show of being friendly. I do think of politics as being part of someone's overall values.

Re: Generational differences when it comes to how you feel about politics?

[(Anonymous)]

My parents were boomers, but they took me to climate protests and beach cleanups and volunteering with Food Not Bombs and staffing the local Green Party booth at Earth Day.

And my remaining boomer relatives all hate Trump and the shit he stands for, and have ended friendships over political differences. And I have boomer and gen x friends who think similarly.

So not all boomers are like your dad.

I will say, though, that in my experience, the older someone is, the more likely it is that they value at least the appearance of civility even to people they think are horrible little shitstains.

Re: Generational differences when it comes to how you feel about politics?

[(Anonymous)]

I don't even consider those "politics." If you don't believe all people deserve basic human rights, then you're not as good of a person you think you are.

Re: Generational differences when it comes to how you feel about politics?

[(Anonymous)]

I would say, from my personal experience, that the difference is not that one generation or another has more sane politics or is more insane.

But I think that there is a generational difference in *how* people are insane about politics. In other words, younger people who are insane about politics are insane about politics in different ways from older people.

Re: Generational differences when it comes to how you feel about politics?

[(Anonymous)]

My mum is a boomer and my dad's a silent gen, I'm a millennial. She's atheist, he's Presbyterian and I'm pagan.

Very often I have to nudge them when they say words that shouldn't be said anymore or when they judge another woman's sense of dress ("they're asking for it" kind of thing). She thought that Trump would "be an interesting president" because she was a fan of the Apprentice back in the day. Dad knew he was gonna be trouble for us in Aus bc our own Prime Minister at the time (ScoMo) was him in a lighter wig and no spray on tan. Dad always tells me it was safe to walk the streets at night when he was younger without taking into account that he's a man and it wasn't reported as often as it is now.

They're exhausting but I love them.

I'm with you on the "someone else's politics say more about them as a person than their actions" tho.

Re: Generational differences when it comes to how you feel about politics?

[(Anonymous)]

If millenials (and younger generations) are so politically different and enlightened and care so much, why don't they get off their lazy asses and actually vote? Turnout is abysmal for younger people. It means exactly shit all if you are so very concerned about stuff if you dont actually vote.

Re: Generational differences when it comes to how you feel about politics?

[(Anonymous)]

It may have something to do with more current politicians of either party being on extremist sides of the spectrum than during the times boomers grew up. There have always been extremist views in both parties but I'd say it's arguably been getting worse lately. So someone who was republican supporter 30-40 years ago means something different than someone who is a republican supporter today.

Re: Generational differences when it comes to how you feel about politics?

[(Anonymous)]

That attitude was really common before the recent era of politics, yeah. Personally, I've always known that Republicans were sacks of crap, because the issues they support and how they use single issues to fan the flames of voters with scare tactics (omg the immigrants are coming for us! Abortion!!!!) has gone back for decades. It's just that in recent years, they've realized that a lot more of their constituency are frightened and dumb and easily lied to, so they've upped their game.

Take gay rights and homophobia, for example. It was common for (religious) people to say "love the sinner, hate the sin" and believe this was totally right and okay, because you're (reluctantly) loving the evil gay sinner like Jesus told you to do, but you're not condoning the evil sexual gay shenanigans. It's only recently that there's been more conspicuous pushback that says hey, being gay isn't a sin, you can't hate what people are still claim to love them, etc. etc.

I'm not millenial, I'm Gex X, BTW. And I've always known that you can't really separate people from politics, because people who vote for harmful politicians and legislation are hurting people - it doesn't matter how much they protest and claim they don't mean to do that. They're doing it. They have been doing it. If you're "pro-life" but only when it comes to denying women abortions and healthcare and not when it comes to ensuring children (including immigrants!) have access to food, shelter, education and healthcare, then you're a scumbag and you always have been, IMO. It's only in recent years that more people are waking up to this, and I for one am relieved.

Re: Generational differences when it comes to how you feel about politics?

[(Anonymous)]

I am not American, but my father (younger boomer if I can apply this generational thing to us) also is like this.
He is quite progressive for our country but he has friends who are not. It's quite funny actually because some of his friends stopped communicating with him because he isn't pro-killing people, they are also so angry about it too.

please TW FOR RAPE

[(Anonymous)]

You sound insufferable and holier than you btw. I'd hate to be near such an inconsiderate and judgemental person as you.

FS always had tw for rape. Would it kill you to put a warning for fucks sake.

Re: Generational differences when it comes to how you feel about politics?

[(Anonymous)]

I'm a late boomer and I'm absolutely with you and against your dad. I'm not USAian, fwiw.

Re: Generational differences when it comes to how you feel about politics?

[(Anonymous)]

If politics were just potholes and personality differences I wouldn't mind being friends with folks of different political views, but it's human rights and human suffering on the table. But also, it always has been. So how did folks used to manage? Millennial btw.

Something something the internet has made it easier to make new friends and thus easier to ditch the old.

But no really, I think we're going to see it even more in the dating market. It's easier to track then friendships. We'll see more and more single guys like "It's all feminism's fault that women won't date me JUST BECAUSE I don't view them as inherently equal to me. Why is everything so political these days?"

Re: Generational differences when it comes to how you feel about politics?

[(Anonymous)]

It's not only generational. There are countries and cultures where "your political views don't make you better or worse than other people, and acting like they do just makes you an ass, regardless of what those views might be" is considered baseline to discussing politics at all. Which is something mature adults are absolutely expected to be able to do.

The US tiptoed around moral absolutism by telling people that they should NOT discuss politics if they weren't preaching to the choir, and acting like insults and freakouts were just a sign of having firm moral convictions and being challenged. But to people who come from places where your self-chosen identity labels and affiliations are not considered the defining mark of your quality as a person, all of this looks very dishonest, like social incompetence is being disguised as honor or virtue.

I'm bringing this up in relation to your boomer parent because this is something a lot of hippies got and admired about Mexico. People there would look at them and size up how they acted and what came from their heart, much more than what they announced they were. And because that sense of "I can be your friend" or "I can't" rested more on how they lived than on anything about belief, it was durable. My dad is from Mexico City. He has many friends who stayed close to him even after he left Catholicism as a teenager. Some of them had similar ideological trajectories, but many continue to be very conservative. What they respect and appreciate about each other is personal. It was rather shocking to him when a close friend came out as gay, in the 70's, but there was no question that it would break the personal relationship. He knew this man well and trusted him, and that was that. There was no social pressure trying to force them apart, either. There's a strong sense that ... politics are inciting disrespect and social discord, when they try to dictate to people who they can love and feel close to. And that they don't have a right to demand that.

When I size that up, it seems reasonable to me. Because I don't think the amount of acrimony that has gone into inciting people to attack each other over political differences has brought resolution to any of the issues that people care deeply about. I might (likely would) agree more with your politics than your fathers', but I think a lot of wrong is done by people who think they can do no wrong as long as they've chosen "the right" side to be on. And, IMO, it really does not work like that.