[ SECRET POST #1716 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1716 ⌋


Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.


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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 05 pages, 134 secrets from Secret Submission Post #245.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 1 - broken links ], [ 1 2 - not!secrets ], [ 1 - not!fandom ], [ 1 - too big ], [ 0 - hit/ship/spiration ], [ 0 - omgiknowthem ], [ 0 - take it to comments ], [ 0 - repeats ]
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Suggestions, comments and concerns should go here.

Comments

[fscom.livejournal.com]

36. http://i51.tinypic.com/24brst0.jpg

[galerian-ash.livejournal.com]

I was in complete agreement with you until the last sentence. You don't have to belittle something else in order to make your favored thing look better, truly you don't. And it is quite possible to enjoy all of these things.

[techno4tomcats.livejournal.com]

+1
I love Classical films and cartoons. Don't see why you have to drive a wedge between them, really.

[tenmorehours.livejournal.com]

This. There were bad classic films (and good video games, cartoons etc). The reason why we don't see as many classic films that are bad is because if they're that old, they're not going to bring the mediocre or bad ones back!

[(Anonymous)]

Timing.

Everything else aside, things that are current are going to tend to have larger and more active fanbases because a lot of people are exposed to them at the same time.This is why people are sad when they discover something awesome that's ten years old. There are certainly exceptions, but very few things can carry an ongoing fandom that long, and if they have, like with Star Trek or something like that, they've probably had an active, enthusiastic fandom since the beginning. Movie fandoms, specifically, tend to have fairly limited lifespans.

If you take an old movie, people are going to find it in their own time, individually, enjoy them for any number of the reasons you mentioned, and then move on because there's not an active fandom and no one else is discovering it with them. Since fandom is, by nature, a social group, other people being interested in the same thing at the same time is important.

[kallanda-lee.livejournal.com]

Well, a lot of people witing fanfic now did not grow up with this stuff. This is like stuff my grandma loved! The only reason I'm into it a bit is because I went to film school and my bf adores old movies.

But the thing is, fanfic about this stuff would seem almost...irreverent. It's just a feeling, I know, but still.

[rabidsamfan.livejournal.com]

There are so many classic movies out there, and each one of them would need its own fandom. That in itself slows things down. So get into yuletide or one of the other small fandom challenges and ask for fic for the movies you really love. That will get other people to watch and love them too.

[ariseishirou.livejournal.com]

Video games >>>> movies

Can't compare to interactivity as an art form, sorry.

Also, glamour is great and all, but there wasn't much grit, and that's pretty in now.

[visiblemarket.livejournal.com]

A Couple of Reasons Why Studio Era Hollywood Films May Not Have Fandoms (Or, Reasons Why Some People Do Not Like "Classic" Movies):

1) Acting styles have evolved and it's sometimes to difficult to see pre-Brando/method stuff as anything other than over-done and too theatrical.
2) Relationship dynamics and gender roles have changed, and some people feel uncomfortable watching films steeped in that sort of culture, and would feel especially uncomfortable writing fic or anything set in that period that might be perceived as glamorizing it.
3) Ditto race. Even more so race, frankly. (Casablanca is on of my favorite films ever, but I still cringe every time I hear Ilsa refer to Sam as "that boy playing the piano").
4) Film as a medium has changed so much since its inception; even beyond the length of things like, say, Citizen Kane, the way things are plotted, written, even edited is so different that it takes getting used to and (generally) required effort is the enemy of big fandom presence.
5) A lot of stuff that studio-era Hollywood pioneered has become so common it's cliche at this point, and no one enjoys watching movies made entirely of cliches.
6) Film canons in general tend to be less likely to lead to fandoms, unless there's sequel potential, which is obviously not a possibility.

I say this as someone who loves classic movies; I love Casablanca and I have enduring affection for good ol' Archie Leach and just about every film he was ever in. But my taste is not everyone's and I accept that without judgment.

[stella-down.livejournal.com]

I honestly don't think the majority of fangirls have the attention span or the desire to watch something that's not modern and easy to get into. I don't even care if that sounds elitist. it's easier to watch something like Transformers, a movie that's been calculated by marketers/producers to appeal to the widest possible amount of people, than to sit down and watch, I don't know, The Wild Bunch, something that's filmed and written differently and might require some thought.

on top of that, you have the fangirl attitude where if the actors aren't hot and potentially slashable, it's not even worth thinking about. yeah, I'm bitter.

[la-petite-singe.livejournal.com]

Good point. And besides, the Hayes Code--they might have called that The Awesome Subtext That Simply Demands Fanfic Code. I mean, really. (Have you ever seen Written on the Wind? Aaawesome.)

[omorka.livejournal.com]

There are some old films that have plenty of room for fic, sure. But - they're often not stories we'd put on the big screen these days. They're often stories of smaller scope, more intimate, less open-ended. There's just not that much to explore - the film starts its story and then finishes it, with nothing left to fic about. The exceptions tend to be either big historicals or ones with implied backstory that we never get to see (Maltese Falcon comes to mind as an example of the latter; that has all kinds of backstory fic possibilities).

That most early films are either romping comedies without much character development (see any given Marx brothers film) or fairly strictly realistic doesn't help much - most current ficcers like at least an element of adventure or the fantastic. (Not all, to be fair.)

[baka-deshi.livejournal.com]

In a word? Yes. My fandoms have characters that aren't all white, straight people :P

(In other news: if you want to encourage people to get into your fandom, you are best off not insulting their taste right off the bat.)

[bloodrivendream.livejournal.com]

People in old Hollywood tend to all look kind of the same to me...

I have watched or tried watching multiple old films and I have found it difficult to find ones I like.
The ones that would probably considered pre-studio era Hollywood actually appealed more to me.
Plus, when I was more into watching films they were pretty different from what typically appealed to me; I tended to veer more towards modern canadian cinema and new queer cinema...

[childings.livejournal.com]

Most people don't like shit that's more than ten years old, news at eleven

[(Anonymous)]

The acting, the pacing and the camera techniques, as well as the cultural references and norms of the time make those old films difficult for me to watch (and I turned 40 this year.) Also, though by itself it's not necessarily a deal-breaker, the lack of color can be off-putting, and colorized films typically look rather artificial.

[(Anonymous)]

Stage Door! Terry Randall + Jean Maitland ::hearts:: talk about your femslashy subtext :)

[writerserenyty.livejournal.com]

Last sentence ruined it for me, which is a shame because I agree with this secret so hard (just got some new Hitchcock on DVD today, yay!).

I'm a film nerd and while I do love classic era films, I enjoy all sorts of other things. The fact that I love both classic films and Glee are not mutually exclusive. :/

But yeah, I agree that there should be a bigger fandom for classic era cinema, but I also think that the reason there isn't a bigger fandom is the age. I mean, I seek stuff out and I'm also a film student, so I can gush about how epic I think the visuals are in A Trip to the Moon because I'm exposed to it there. It might be harder for other people in fandom.

[365reasonswhy.livejournal.com]

I love video games and some teen drama shows (Vampire Diaries, Buffy, etc.) and also love classic films. Both things are enjoyable, just in different ways!

[heretherebefic.livejournal.com]

Look, I love a lot of older entertainment.

But sometimes I just feel like watching something without getting that uncomfortable feeling that, whether it's stated explicitly or not, most of the characters are probably racist/sexist/homophobic/etc. by today's standards, you know?

[(Anonymous)]

It's because they are so good that they don't need a fandom at all. You can just sit there and enjoy them over and over again if you wish. Fandom is mostly an outlet for ongoing discussions or ships that have yet to be realized.

[schizophrenic0.livejournal.com]

Is that Stage Door?

[princesoup.livejournal.com]

seconded so fucking hard ok????

[(Anonymous)]

Sorry, but if a movie is in black and white it's just not worth me watching.

[arcadiaego.livejournal.com]

Classic Hollywood does have a fairly large fandom of sorts, it's just not one that produces a lot of fic.