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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2012-06-15 06:50 pm

[ SECRET POST #1991 ]


⌈ Secret Post #1991 ⌋

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Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 1 2 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ], [ 1 - unreadable ].
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(Anonymous) 2012-06-15 11:06 pm (UTC)(link)
Because they're real. If you took some fictional evil people and put them in fictional sexy uniforms, no one would have a problem.

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(Anonymous) 2012-06-15 11:09 pm (UTC)(link)
Maybe it's because the Nazis murdered millions of people?

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(Anonymous) 2012-06-15 11:13 pm (UTC)(link)
It's romanticizing and trivializing something real and horrible that happened? Even if you yourself understand the historical context of the Holocaust, it's still not a kink that most people are going to feel comfortable with

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(Anonymous) 2012-06-15 11:14 pm (UTC)(link)
Six millions of reasons come to my mind.

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(Anonymous) 2012-06-15 11:16 pm (UTC)(link)
"Seems to", indeed. When you see someone who likes to throw around Your Kink Is Not My Kink bash Nazi fetishists, call those lying bullshitters out. Kink-shame-shame them. Make them own their philosophy. If they can't defend it, they need to let it go.

(Anonymous) 2012-06-15 11:17 pm (UTC)(link)
if it's just the uniform, you can bypass all the drama easily by having an 'evil people in uniforms' kink. what does it even mean to have a nazi kink?

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(Anonymous) 2012-06-15 11:23 pm (UTC)(link)
Because people who like shota aren't usually pedophiles, and vore is fucking fantasy and can't happen the way most people fantasize about it.

Meanwhile, Nazi fetishism is still a very big thing today. Nazis still exist, relatives of those murdered in concentration camps still exist, etc.

You can have an "evil people in sexy uniforms" kink. But that's not what a Nazi kink is. Nazi is specific.

I can only assume you're white, privileged and never talked to anyone or seen talks with survivors, since your shrugging off fetishizing Nazis is rather alarming.

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(Anonymous) 2012-06-15 11:26 pm (UTC)(link)
Part of me thinks it's because it hits too close to home.

Getting off on people getting consumed or whatever is just alien to most peoples thought processes.

But hot guys in super hot suits that are representative of power and being the peak of the human condition and all that jazz, who's worst crime was killing a group of people most are still secretly really racist against anyway.

Well, that they can see finding personally attractive a hell of a lot easier, so they lash out.

Think the idea that people with gay thoughts are more likely to be homophobic if they don't accept their identity. Except obviously having a kink for Nazis isn't directly comparable to being gay.

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(Anonymous) 2012-06-15 11:31 pm (UTC)(link)
Some of my relatives died in the Nazi concentration camps. You're seriously asking why some people draw the line at Nazi kink?

I'm just going to assume this is a troll secret and back away slowly from this post.

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(Anonymous) 2012-06-15 11:34 pm (UTC)(link)
WTF is with all the people responding going 'because Nazis are real!' No duh. Rape is real too. Yet it and various forms of dub-con are one of the most frequent kinks I see in fandom. I'm sure other people could come up with similar examples.

You don't get to tell someone what they should or shouldn't find appealing in *fiction*.

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(Anonymous) 2012-06-15 11:35 pm (UTC)(link)
I'd never say this off-anon, but I kind of agree.

It's definitely not a kink that's acceptable for public, because it can be so triggery, but I don't see what's wrong with having the kink if you're responsible about it. Warn, try to keep it private, etc, and how is it anyone else's problem?

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On a historical note

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(Anonymous) 2012-06-15 11:47 pm (UTC)(link)
Agree, tbh. This is a massive case of "don't like, don't read" and stop acting like it's the fucking end-all. Non-con is a huge kink - guess what, millions and millions of real people get raped, even now. Shota is a huge kink - to me, THAT'S the one that ought to be treated with a lot more caution than it is now. I fully believe that many people are capable of having a Nazi kink that they keep private and without justifying their actions. Lots of people are interested in historical kink, don't know why one group absolutely has to be excluded because, you know, SJ and all.

disclaimer - I'm not into nazis but that pic you posted, unf.

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[personal profile] mudousetsuna 2012-06-16 12:06 am (UTC)(link)
Only vaguely related, but for a moment, I thought that was Setsuna and Kira from Angel Sanctuary.

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(Anonymous) 2012-06-16 12:39 am (UTC)(link)
Both shota and Nazi kink are things I draw the line at, so...
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[personal profile] purrple 2012-06-16 12:58 am (UTC)(link)
It's not my kink and I don't care, personally, but once I saw a Nazi kink comm that talked about actual RL Nazis, like 'awwww here's a pic of so-and-so with puppies!', and my brain just short-circuited.

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[personal profile] blueonblue 2012-06-16 01:47 am (UTC)(link)
I think this secret comes from the same person as secret #2.

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[personal profile] taste_of_water 2012-06-16 02:11 am (UTC)(link)
Vore (fantasizing about swallowing someone/something or being swallowed whole) is something that is physically impossible and from what I've seen (which I'll admit isn't a lot) shota and loli are deep in the gray zone and far from 'everyone' is ok with it.

For me, a fantasy is something that's not real, that I can control and is thus safe and accepting Nazi kink is like saying that it is something that's not real or dangerous.
It doesn't matter if we're talking about 'normal everyday' racism or extreme cases like the 2011 bombing and Utoya massacre in Norway, White supremacy is none of those things.

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(Anonymous) 2012-06-16 02:54 am (UTC)(link)
I'm amazed you're complaining that we actually have a line in the sand to say "Fetishizing one of the darkest moments of human history is not okay."

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(Anonymous) 2012-06-16 03:05 am (UTC)(link)
It's different because of the inherent hypocrisy of fandom. I know someone who was molested by a family member when they were a child, but if I speak out against the incest/pedo kink, then its defenders come down on me for daring to judge their fap material as something less-than-wonderful.

Arguing that shota/vore/beastiality/rape kinks are somehow more acceptable because they aren't "real" is the most infantile, ridiculous piece of Internet bullshit I've ever read. Children get molested. Cannibalistic murders have been committed. People do have sex with animals, and rape is quite common. In fact, those things happen ALL THE TIME. So, claiming that any of those kinks are fine, but the Nazi fetish isn't is merely self-justifying bullshit.

WWII ended almost 70 years ago. It's now a historical event. People fetishize about Greco/Roman, Medieval, or Edwardian dress and power dynamics. There's no difference. As long as the clothing/power dynamic is merely used for sexual fantasy, and you're not using it to incite actual violence against actual people, then you should be allowed to fantasize how you want.

After all, that's what the pedo/shota/loli defenders say. "It's okay, because it doesn't involve real kids." So as long as you're not actually wearing those clothes to go out and kill other people, rock on, OP. People won't like it, but hypocrisy runs wide and deep in fandom. It's the "don't judge me, but I can judge you, because I SAID SO!" bullshit.

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By pass arguments; what's the link to the picture?

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(Anonymous) 2012-06-16 03:58 am (UTC)(link)
omg so hot. I would apologetically masturbate solely to this alone if there was more of a buffet of it out there.

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All I have to say is that all fandom kinks fall under YKINMK.

However, relating to Nazi kink recall Schindler's List Amon Goth and Helen Hirsch and that actually fanfiction is written about these people. They are real people, and Helen did suffer from his abuse, so to see fanfiction written about them can be unnerving and not okay for people.

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(Anonymous) 2012-06-16 04:29 am (UTC)(link)
Is it bad that I just find their uniforms and aesthetic to be really appealing?

I don't even fetishize them, or imaginary scenarios involving them.
I don't approve of anything they've done.
I just find their uniforms to look really nice.

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miss_lydzi: Art by Kisaragi Manami. Made by Ushitora_icons (Default)

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I answered the wrong number. Anyway. I very seriously blame Hugo Boss for the all kink about nazi's uniforms. I mean it has the be the reason (I refuse to believe otherwise).

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