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-cough- Bisexuality -cough-

[elephantinegrace]

Oh, right, they don't exist, even though it's LGBTQQIA. Oopsies!

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[(Anonymous)]

Didn't you knew? Bisexuality is so '91 and transpobic... hance now is "Pansexual".

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[(Anonymous)]

No... bisexuals PREFER people who are in the gender binary, pansexuals are open to all. It's not transphobic to be bisexual, because it's a preference thing. Some people aren't attracted to trans and that is okay. It doesn't invalidate pan as an actual sexual orientation :/

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[(Anonymous)]

this

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[elephantinegrace]

I think the first anon was being sarcastic, but it's nice to know someone who doesn't think bisexuality is an excuse to go back to the closet.

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[maverickz3r0]

Albeit I don't think I've ever heard any bi-identifying person say they weren't attracted to trans people. So pansexual seems to rely on a definition of bisexual that I've never heard any bi person use.

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[(Anonymous)]

ayrt

I previously identified as bi, fell in love with a transman, and shifted over to pan, so there's at least one of us.

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[cbrachyrhynchos]

Yeah, if you read the definitions of the major bisexual groups and activists, they're inclusive of more than two gender identities.

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[(Anonymous)]

Exactly this. I know there are some bi people who are solely attracted to CIS-gendered people, but there are also people who are lesbian, gay, and bisexual who are only attracted to people who are CIS as well. And as a bi person with a lot of bi friends, I can say that the majority of bi people I know (and most major bi organizations) do NOT limit the definition to only include CIS people. I think a lot of the confusion is in the origin of the term and where it comes from, but the usage has since shifted to the bi simply meaning two kinds of attraction, and those two types of attraction in many (if not most) cases are not limited to CIS-gendered female and CIS-gendered male.

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[(Anonymous)]

Except... it seems like there's something wrong about saying that being straight/gay/bi implies *only* being attracted to cis members of the gender you're attracted to?

I mean. That feels like implying you have to have a special, different orientation to be attracted to someone who is trans*, because they aren't ~really~ of the gender by which they identify. Which... is problematic.

tl;dr: I don't think people who identify as bi are saying that they aren't attracted to trans* people. One could conceivably make that case, I suppose, about genderqueer people, but I would argue that a vast majority of bisexual people don't actually see it as only being attracted to two genders.

I could be wrong, so I don't want to speak for everyone, but this is how I've heard/seen it.

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[(Anonymous)]

ayrt

Yeah, I.. only meant it about genderqueer people. Sorry for being unclear.

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[(Anonymous)]

I mean. That feels like implying you have to have a special, different orientation to be attracted to someone who is trans*, because they aren't ~really~ of the gender by which they identify. Which... is problematic.


Gender and sex are different things. Transmen and transwomen may be men and women by gender but that means jack all to somebody who is attracted to a specific sex.

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[(Anonymous)]

Pretty sure it was sarcastic. But some SJW really do believe that.

I never got how being bisexual was supposed to be transphobic. What about straight and gay people? They must be the devil.
(while not holding that opinion, is there someone who understand it and would explain it to me? I'm genuinly curious.)

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[cbrachyrhynchos]

Yeah, um, that's not how I define bi, or how anyone else I know in the movement defined bi before the last few years.

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[cbrachyrhynchos]

I wish I still had a photo of the shirt from the March on Washington in '92 with the big "BI" on it and a few dozen synonyms including pansexual, omnisexual, and queer. I did a google search for it but didn't come up with anything.

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[(Anonymous)]

Wait LGBTQQIA? What does the QIA represent?

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[elephantinegrace]

Questioning (not sure) or Queer (not sure), Intersex (neither male nor female), asexual (no sexual attraction). Actually, LGBTQQIAPA might be better, because then pansexual (attracted to people both on and off the gender binary, and allies (het supporters) would be included on the list.

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[otakugal15]

Uh, the amount of hate I've seen for allies, I wouldn't add that. :/ ONTD_P is a cesspit with regards to that attitude.

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[(Anonymous)]

When did "Questioning" become a thing? Are people who are not entirely sure of their sexuality so oppressed? Serious question.

Maybe I'm biased, because I've had a lot of so called "fake gay girls" hit on me in my time. They were using me to determine if they were gay or straight. Like, they would go out on dates with me, eventually this would lead to kissing and more - and then a few weeks later it was like "Well, you're a great girl but you showed me I'm not gay. I'm with boy XY now, I hope you will find your true love one day, yadda yadda" and no fucking one called them out on that because they were "just finding out about their sexuality~~".

This shit happened to me four times within two years. And then I stopped going to gay clubs (where I had met all of these "let's try being lesbian" chicks).

I really think you can come to terms with your sexuality without making it a group/project/whatever :/

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[(Anonymous)]

Technically A typically is used for both Asexuals and Allies - not just one or the other, iirc.

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[altumcor]

Queer, Questioning, Intersex, Asexual.

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[elephantinegrace]

Yes, you're right. I accidentally wrote the same thing for both Q's, sorry. And holy cow, this thread derailed. ONTD got brought in? WTH?

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[otakugal15]

I think the "Q" is questioning, "A" I think is asexual, I....no idea.

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[(Anonymous)]

I = Intersex?

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[spicandspan89.livejournal.com]

OT - Out of curiosity, what does the second Q stand for? I've never seen this version of the acronym before.