[ SECRET POST #2342 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2342 ⌋

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Comments

[fscom]

05. http://i.imgur.com/sxUDPDt.jpg

[badass_tiger]

And I'm afraid all I'm thinking is 'There are still people following Pottermore?'

I'm not at all sure what you mean by Sirius not caring about Remus though. They were close friends for a very long time and it seemed to me that after PoA they continued being friends.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't know. I don't ship it personally nor do I really think that they're gay, but I do think this is one of the times when it's more justifiable to look at the text and read the characters as being gay. I don't think it's that much of a stretch, even though I don't think it's true myself. There's a lot in terms of their closeness and their relationship and the kind of bond they have that makes it easy to interpret it in that way. It's not an insane thing to think.

More importantly, though: the fact that they suspected each other of being traitors, or the fact that Sirius "didn't give that much of a shit about Remus' feelings", is in no way evidence that they weren't gay. People are fucking complicated and both of those things are totally compatible with a sexual or even a romantic relationship. The world is a fucking complicated place.

[sondheimmcgeek]

Meh. I like to pair them together, but I also don't expect Rowling to suddenly justify the pairing.

[(Anonymous)]

This so much. I'm so glad there are other people out there who feel this way, all my friends ship it like crazy.

[(Anonymous)]

Same. I see the appeal of Remus/Sirius but personally I always thought Sirius was too obsessed with James. He and Remus are friends but Remus believed he could betray the Potters and Sirius almost destroyed Remus life through his 'joke.'

Also Pottermore still exist? Wow.

[(Anonymous)]

I am too distracted by nostalgia to respond to your secret, sorry. My first fandom. My first slash ship. Bless <3

[(Anonymous)]

dude, which books did you read in which they didn't give a shit about each other?
i don't even ship it but i still picked up on the fact that they were really close friends.

remus was clearly devastated by sirius' betrayal and then, in turn, by his death and sirius was so happy to have him back.
through all the books jkr made a point out of showing that all four marauders were incredibly close friends, including peter, and just because sirius was closer to james than he was to remus doesn't mean that he wasn't close to him at all.

they suspected each other because war makes enemies out of friends and sirius didn't send snape to the shack to ruin remus's life, he did it because he was a stupid teenager with no regard for consequences. he would have done the same if james had been the werewolf.
it's made clear that remus has forgiven him, which is why sirius doesn't constantly beat himself up about it, but that doesn't mean he's not sorry at all.

i think you're misreading their relationship because you're annoyed by your friends' obsession with the pairing which i get, but that still doesn't make it true.

[dreemyweird]

My theory is that this is Rowling's awkward take on a complicated friendship. The relationships between the Marauders are all very weird, to be honest. Sirius obsessing over James, everyone being friends with Pettigrew for some reason, Sirius ruining Remus' life, everyone believing that Sirius is a Death Eater... nothing is right with these people.

But then the degree of wrong is not fundamentally different from the relationships between Dumbledore and Harry, Dumbledore and Snape, Lily and Snape, Harry and Ginny; and suddenly you realize that this is what is considered "normal" in this universe. And you aren't bothered anymore.

[(Anonymous)]

I always shipped the fuck out of Remus/Severus.

I also found Sirius dull as all hell, so I guess it makes sense I wouldn't ship them. What did always make me lol was how very "canon-based" shippers used to consider Remus/Sirius okay in their books, because apparently it was implied. I saw some R/S shippers descend into Harmonian levels of reaching back in the wanky ol' days of HP fandom.

Considering Rowling kept the only canon gay character in the "this is irrelevant" closet, I guess anything's possible, but I just don't see why canonicity should matter in the first place.

[lyndis]

I've got to agree. I think the appeal in the ship SHOULD be more like, now they're the only two left and they could grow closer because of that, but it always seemed to me that the foursome friendship was mostly just Sirius and James, with Remus and Peter sort of in the background. That's how I read it anyway.

I don't think that Sirius ever "didn't give a shit" about Remus personally, but if you've ever been betrayed by someone you trusted, it would be easy to understand how much angrier it makes you. To be betrayed by someone you don't give a shit about? Big deal! To be betrayed by someone you care about? You want revenge and you want it NOW.

That said, I never did feel that Sirius and Remus were very close friends, but I think for them a huge part of the problem was trying to get over the whole, "Up until very recently we actually thought the other was a bad guy working against us." That's hard to just get over.

I feel like in Book Four, things were looking up for their friendship, but considering Sirius dies so fast, I find it very hard to believe that they grew to be super chummy like Sirius and James were before. That's a lot of baggage to put behind oneself in order to accomplish that.

Either way, even if they did get close again, I felt the books gave nods specifically to James regarding Sirius, particularly in that he was still sort of looking to replace James with Harry. That was probably the best look depth-wise at Sirius's character for me, because it said SO MUCH about him.

But in the end, it's hard to say. I agree with the sentiment that the OP seemed to try to be expressing, which was, "I don't see them together" (I don't personally), and "My friends are twits for being whiny about Rowling not justifying their ship" (I also agree with this). It's one thing to like a ship, and quite another to think the author has to justify its existence to you when it wasn't an intended ship to begin with. (The author's mentions could be "close friends" or "friends" or "lovers" but if the author chooses to leave it at friendship, that's their prerogative.

Just my two cents. :)

[alwaysbeenasmiler]

In fandom terms, I'm pretty old. I've had 16 years under my belt and that is AFTER I turned 18.. and I can vouch that when you are young, you make mistakes. It's all apart of being young and the Sirius and Remus relationship is a study in that. If you look at ALL of the maurauders, they were right little buggers.. Remus including and I actually despise how the fandom makes them out to be 'above reproach'.

That being said, I find the dynamic realistic and the majority of fic writers that put out materials for this headcanon usually have a great grasp on the characters, on all the regrets and stuff that goes into the Sirius/Remus pairing.

Though I will maintain, one will like what they will like and nothing can change it.. I'm merely just sharing the views of someone who probably is nearing up in age with how old Sirius and Remus were in PoA and explaining why sometimes what we feel as teenagers can be somewhat irrational and not as benign or benevolent.

[(Anonymous)]

See, while the shippers exaggerate the subtext between, you do the same for the antagonism. You're equally bad!

[(Anonymous)]

I get that it's annoying when you don't ship something this ubiquitous. When I used to read R/S, though, it was pretty angsty and none of what you're saying would really contradict it.

[writerserenyty]

The only time I'm really bothered by Sirius/Remus shipping is when people bash Tonks or start hating on Remus/Tonks.

I really like Sirius/Remus as friends, and could have potentially seen them as a couple in the past, but Remus/Tonks is my Harry Potter OTP, so I ship that much more.

[truxillogical]

Y'know, I never cared one way or another (my ships were Snape/Lily [preDH], and Hermione/Fred or Hermione/Percy). But now...

Now I'm liking the idea that Remus had a crush on Sirius as a kid, that his "betrayal" was devastating and made him Remus go back and think about all the things he could've been wrong about by being blinded by teenage infatuation, and that after Sirius came back and neither of them as the traitor and that was good, maybe, maaaybe they started something as adults.

That kinda ignores Remus/Tonks. But I'll gladly ignore the canon Remus/Tonks. (I liked it fine when it was a fandom ship, but it was always so clunky and awkward in canon. Makes sense--Harry doesn't need to be privy to the romantic details of adults lives, but still. Meh.)

[(Anonymous)]

Now I kind of want snape and sirius talking about james/lilly running of together and breaking their harts

[(Anonymous)]

UGH THANK YOU. Sure, I ship a lot of things for fun but I don't expect them to be canon or ignore the facts. I work with what was given - all of it.

[lex_antonia]

Hmm, I think they do care deeply about each other. They were basically teenagers when they first fought Voldemort, and given the circumstances, fear and paranoia can be forgiven.

I just never saw the ship. Ever. James/Sirius, totally. I mean, I can see a lot of ships. After all, I'm the crazy person who keeps going on about Snape/Petunia. I can even see Harry/Sirius in a very fucked up kind of way. But Sirius/Remus? Nope. Don't see the chemistry.

[pantswarrior]

I am so with you on the Sirius/James stuff. I remember after reading that far into the series (I got started late), I was all "Wait, I thought people shipped Sirius/Remus? ...Why?"

Of course I did the same thing when I started watching TOS, with Spock/Bones over Kirk/Spock. Sigh.

[(Anonymous)]

PREACH, gurl.

Why do people obsess over how "canon" their ship is?

[nyxelestia]

After nearly a decade in fandom, I still don't get this. Why does it matter? You either are going to ship them or you aren't, and canon never seems to get in the way of that. Hell, I thought half the fun of fandom and shipping was that it isn't canon.

[(Anonymous)]

TL;DR, but I really dislike Remus/Sirius, and it sucks because it takes up such a huge portion of the fandom.

It's like an alternate version of Kakashi/Iruka. In other words: boring.

The whole gentle guy/wildcard dynamic bores me to tears.

[(Anonymous)]

Sirius/Remus makes me wince. Usually I'm the queen of subtext, but I can't find anything to build up on with this ship.

[wauwy]

Alas, the potential these two had. I'm still not over it.

However, I shipped them before OotP et al. had been released. I don't know how you would still hold out hope for them being meant to be canon after the events of the last three books, but shippers keep surprising me, I guess.