[ SECRET POST #2721 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2721 ⌋

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Comments

[fscom]

14. http://i.imgur.com/fCXAr94.png

[rubbertea]

meh, i enjoy it because i enjoy violent movies and tv shows in general. that doesn't mean i'm a violent person irl, or that i condone violence at all. i just like the thrill it gives me when i watch it. sometimes there's no hidden psychological reason behind the things people like, op.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't get it, personally. I love it when characters (of both genders) get their tears on, love emotional breakdowns, but I hate it when characters get "beaten bloody". Just painful to look at, don't like the idea of them getting hurt like that.

[(Anonymous)]

I think when we see a man all beaten up it's still part of a male fantasy. Like we think that's just been through a big heroic struggle or something (not that this is the only reason someone might like that in fic/art). Usually when we see a woman in that situation, she's not the one who ends up saving herself. Also, fandom spaces tend to think differently than the regular population, which you were probably reading about. It's pretty much accepted in fandom spaces that it's okay to have dark fantasies as long as you acknowledge that they're fantasies. I could casually talk about a lot of fucked up things here and have people respond positively or not care. If I did the same thing in a non-fandom space people would think I was disturbed and wouldn't hesitate to tell me so.

[kaijinscendre]

If it isn't your thing, it isn't your thing. I mean, I enjoy it but I'd never hurt someone in real life. And if a guy has a thing for that, as long as he doesn't act on it (except with a consenting adult), I don't give a shit.

[ariakas]

This seems legit and not at all baiting.

[(Anonymous)]

I have a favourite character being beaten kink. It's weird because women being beaten triggers me for the domestic and sexual violence I experienced as a kid.

I can't put my finger on why precisely, I suspect it has something to do with exacting revenge. Thefact that this applies to my favourite male character, usually part of my OTP, usually the character I find easiest to write.... Yes that's probably a little fucked up.

But, and I can't stress this highly enough, my kink in fic and TV in no way applies to real life. The idea of anyone hurting my wonderful, gentle husband or lovely male friends makes me sick to my stomach.

I suspect that I'm not alone in dealing my issues through fic in this way. Of course, as with so many kinks, YMMV. I'm sorry it has upset you OP, but I don't think you can really judge people's reading kinks as if they were a real life thing.

[kallanda_lee]

I admit it's a kink, yes. But, I think on some level it even creeps myself out because if I ever make the switch in my mind and transpose it to r/l situation, I'd be pretty disgusted with myself. The human mind is a weird thing.

[hands4healing]

I just have to say I love your puppy background. That's all.

[(Anonymous)]

It is a huge kink, this beaten and bloody boys thing. So many fanartists especially go crazy for it.

It completely alarms me but I feel I can't say anything about it directly to the people enjoying it. I see it suddenly it in the middle of all a lot of other art especially, and everyone else seems to think it's hot. A good looking man with blood dripping on his face.

I don't get it at all, not my fetish. That's why I don't say anything directly about it to them.

Mainstream media does cater for this kink in that it's mostly men you see stripped and bloody in action films.

Statistically, men in real life are more often the subject of violence than women, so there's not even the argument that it's a balancing of reality, like the argument about fics/art where men get raped.

It's creepy, highly creepy. But so is a lot of stuff that I also back away from. I do find the fandom attitude to it mostly hypocritical. But go to a male-dominated fandom space and there's even worse there directed at women, and I find that creepy as well, but I think they're also entitled to their stress release.

[(Anonymous)]

it's ~*~teh empowering misandry*~* when straight women fetishize boys getting beaten bloody and raped

[elaminator]

For me it's not so much the actual damage (I don't need to see blood dripping down the characters face, though I won't lie, some people can make that look appealing in an altogether confusing way) but I can't say fight scenes and the like don't do something for me. In some cases (like Winter Soldier) the action is so beautifully choreographed it's almost like a dance; it's just awe inspiring to watch.

[intrigueing]

The psychology of the two are somewhat different, and the ways this usually happens in movies/TV is usually REALLY different. Basically: men getting beaten bloody doesn't have the same real life connotations as women being beaten bloody. Men being beaten bloody (IRL) = war, combat, torture, animal attacks, enemy attacks, etc -- usually for some "big" "important" or "heroic" context. Women being beaten bloody (IRL) = domestic abuse, rape, misogynistic kicks. That combined with RL power imbalances just skews the experience a lot.

It's not a fundamental distinction, but it's still a practical-enough one to affect how people view it in fiction. I'm sure it's possible to write a hot women-getting-beaten-bloody story that isn't gross if the context is done right; it's just a LOT more difficult because there are so many more RL associations that can turn into squick-pitfalls that need to be avoided.

On that subject, I recall an old black-and-white comedy-western movie that featured a massive fistfight (NOT a catfight) between fictionalized versions of Annie Oakley and Belle Starr, in which they got really visibly bruised-up and muddy, and IMO it was pretty badass and hot, even though it was intended, at the time the movie was made, to be funny.

[(Anonymous)]

So not the hill I wish to die on, but here goes. Women being beaten bloody by men, for sexual purposes, is sexualized violence. Men being beaten bloody by fictional villains -- be they men, women, demons, robots, or whatever -- in popular media is more often than not a completely different thing. The bleeding man gets hero worship for being so brave and manly as to end up a bloody mess after battle. He's not an object to be acted on, like the woman who suffered for a man's pleasure. Our bloody male hero, even if part of fandom does woobify him in their adoration, is still the hero.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't get turned on by men getting beaten bloody, but I do get warm fuzzies from other people taking care of them afterward. >_>

[(Anonymous)]

i like it when both male and female characters get beaten bloody

[(Anonymous)]

Not differentiating between men and women isn't your problem, OP. Not differentiating between RL violence/abuse and kinks in fantasies/fiction is your problem.

[beverlykatz]

The double standard aspect makes me uncomfortable, honestly. But at the same time I'll admit that I do perpetuate it. I feel guilty, because why should I find bloodied/beaten/similarly disheveled men attractive or appealing and not women? I think it comes down to the fact that in a lot of media, a woman being beaten up is being "brought down a peg" or having her agency removed (there's no talk of revenge, just recovery or "moving on"), whereas a man being beaten up is almost always the beginning of a revenge/justice plot. Not saying that this is always the case, but a lot of the time it is.

Or maybe I'm just rationalizing my own kinks. :'D;;;;

[tabaqui]

I've never cared for it. I don't like the idea of *anyone* being beaten bloody, and watching someone i *like* makes it worse. I'd much rather they take a hit, give a hit, win the fight (or find some clever way to get out of it) then be turned into mincemeat.

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[(Anonymous)]

Personally I'm not a fan of seeing people of either gender getting the crap beat out of them, but I could understand it as people finding the idea of "guys being physically/emotionally vulnerable" interesting.
Why do you think Hurt/Comfort fic is so popular?

Personally, I like seeing male characters I like in (well written) emotionally vulnerable positions because you don't see it very often in media and it can be a PHENOMENAL vehicle for characterization and character development.

[(Anonymous)]

Sometimes I feel guilty and hypocritical for enjoying my favorite male character getting abused every so often, but every time I hear on the news of women being sexually abused, I stop caring. Same for all the media I see of violence against women being done for the purpose of titillation, and going to places like 4chan where all the neckbeards gleefully fap to that. Humans are all disgusting and equally capable of doing horrid things, but a large chunk of the time it's perpetrated by men. It's hard not to have that skew my opinion a little even though I know that's being unfair.

That said, I'm appalled at any kind of violence done against actual people, regardless of their gender.

[(Anonymous)]

I think the enjoyment of seeing male characters in pain also might be tied into why the hurt/comfort genre is so popular. People very rarely enjoy having a character slowly and brutally tortured to death. Now, there can be prolonged and gruesome suffering, but usually it seems to me that this is done so that the male character in question can then be rescued, healed, and tended to by another character. And the deeper the pain, the more intense the comforting that is required. For a lot of people, I think it might function as an emotional high. Just a guess here.

[diet_poison]

At first this made me kind of uncomfortable because I was like "huh, sexy story where men get beat up is pretty acceptable in fandom, not so much the other way around". But reading the comments, I realized: there IS a different connotation behind men and women being beat up in fantasy, and actually there really isn't outrage when the woman is playing the part of the hero. (at least ime)

I enjoy fictional fights.

[(Anonymous)]

I very much dislike fights in real life, but I like the action and athleticism of choreographed fights. The more evenly matched, the better. But if it starts to veer into brutal or gory, it will make me uncomfortable.

I also enjoy someone recovering or being taken care of after getting hurt, fictionally.

[(Anonymous)]

Me too, but I don't know how much of it is about violence? the objectification of their abused bodies really weirds me out. Violence as a natural element of a picture or story is fine and if I'm being perfectly honest, it doesn't repel me the way violence against women might. But if I'm reading something and it dwells on the dripping gut wound and broken arm I'm out and it does affect my enjoyment of fandom spaces.