[ SECRET POST #2958 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2958 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Comments

[fscom]

03. http://i61.tinypic.com/m82tu.jpg

[(Anonymous)]

Do you mean the character, the person he's based on or both?

[(Anonymous)]

Agreed.

[(Anonymous)]

Wow. Just wow.

[(Anonymous)]

"Proto-neckbeard jerk Thoreau"

LOL. That's a good one, OP.

+1

[feotakahari]

I used to be bullied by rich spoiled brats. I wouldn't say any of them deserved to die. Unless you're leaving out something about beating his wife or joining a terrorist group, I'd rather not play along with this attitude.

[(Anonymous)]

Tasteless secret of the day goes to...

[loracarol]

I feel the same way (approximately) about the guy from 27 Hours.

God, that guy was such a fucking dumbass. Take a goddamn whistle if you're hiking out in the middle of nowhere! Even if you're not alone, but especially if you're alone! You can blow a whistle for a longer time then you can scream, and the sound travels further as well. /rant

[(Anonymous)]

*standing ovations*

[(Anonymous)]

I never saw this film but my brother did. He came home from school and said: we had to watch such a stupid film today. It was about a guy who talks to people who all tell him he is gonna freeze to death. He then ignores them and freezes to death. What an idiot.

[(Anonymous)]

The character or the person? I can agree about the character, but I think the real life Chris (or Alex) McCandless is slightly more complicated. I won't say that he wasn't foolish (he certainly wasn't anywhere close to prepared to do what he did) and he came across as pretentious, but reducing him to a spoiled rich brat seems a bit simplistic considering the complicated relationship he had with his parents. His dad's anger problems are briefly alluded to in the book, but more recent information from his sister (that has also been supported by others in the family) shows that their mother and father were pretty abusive at points in their childhood (among other things, their mother would shout at Chris and accuse him of trapping her in a relationship because she got pregnant with him and their father would occasionally get drunk and beat both children along with his wife). The sister says that she's long forgiven her parents for their behavior but that Chris was never really able to and she believes that their mother and father played a huge role in driving him away although she says that she doesn't him for his actual death. Like I said, I still think he holds responsibility for his death, but I still feel sympathetic towards him.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm conflicted. On the one hand, you sound like a holier-than-thou douche. On the other, so few people appreciate the fact that Thoreau was a total mooch. It's really easy to advocate "living off the land" when you're living rent-free on someone else's property and being fed by the neighbors. I'd say he was more of a proto-hipster than a proto-neckbeard, though. So, over all, this secret is more of a miss than a hit.

[purpleseas]

I haven't seen this, but I've read about it and about him and can't disagree that he brought it on himself. Not that he deserved it, because I don't think anyone deserves that kind of death, but he had to make a lot of easily avoidable mistakes and have a pretty specific and obnoxious mindset to end up like he did. It's not far off from Timothy Treadwell, who got a very warts-and-all treatment in Grizzly Man, but that's the difference between a laudatory biopic and a brutally honest Werner Herzog documentary, I guess. When you love nature and wild animals without respecting and fearing their ability to kill the fuck out of you at any time, you tend to die in highly unpleasant ways.

[a_potato]

I feel like...the movie itself made that point? His big epiphany before he dies is kind of that he's gone about his self-discovery in a completely idiotic way.

In any case, if people are idolizing him, then yes, I agree that that's foolish.

[(Anonymous)]

I've never seen this movie, but having just looked it up, and the person it's based on ... I kind of agree? I'd have phrased it less baldly, but yeah. You don't just wander out there with whatever supplies happen to be at hand and expect things to just work out.

I don't really understand the idealism that's attached to him? I mean, I understand wanderlust, the lure of wild places, the desire to get away from people, all of that. I kind of get the whole 'going back to nature to find a purer self' thing. But ... why do you have to die to do it? I mean, why does that add to the mystique? Man vs nature, nature wins, that's not exactly unusual or noteworthy, I'd have thought.

Okay. Pursuing a dream to the point you're willing to die for it. Kind of get why that's admirable, in a tragic sort of way. But ... he wasn't. He didn't want to die for the dream. He just got it wrong and couldn't get help in time. That's not the same thing.

I don't this at all, I think. Sorry, rambling. I'll stop now.

[(Anonymous)]

Honestly, the book was more than enough facepalming action for me, so I'll never see the movie. While I don't think he deserved to starve to death, I think that he owns 100% responsibility for doing so and it's a stupidly tragic, pointless death. People who romanticize it are delusional.

TW: Discussions of abuse

[(Anonymous)]

You people DO know that his father was an alcoholic who used to beat the shit out of him and choke him, right? And that's why he took off? His sister just published her own book because she couldn't stand people thinking like OP does. She says that while she doesn't blame her parents for his death, she does think they directly contributed to it.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/11/10/into-the-wild-abuse/18794419/
http://www.people.com/article/Chris-McCandless-abuse-allegations-wild-truth
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2827531/Sisters-Wild-hiker-Chris-McCandless-says-journey-American-wilderness-escape-traumatic-childhood.html

[(Anonymous)]

IA. Fortunately, of the comments I've seen, most agree the kid was a stupid fuck who caused his own death for no good reason and those few finding him "inspirational" are clearly other ungrateful white douchebros.

[caerbannog]

I keep mixing this show up with Wild at a glance...

Transcript

[(Anonymous)]

Image: promo art for Into the Wild

Text: I judge everyone who thinks about this guy as anything other than a rich spoiled brat who died because of his own stupidity, self-importance, lack of common sense and delusion of exceptionality. He even realize the proto-neckbeard jerk Thoreau wrote all his supposedly great work on Man and Nature in Emerson’s backyard. Sean Penn sucks too.

[(Anonymous)]

What a unique and refreshing opinion, certainly not that of the majority at ALL.

Christ, I'd be more surprised if it were a sympathetic secret, since apparently thinking someone made a stupid choice and still feeling bad for them appears to be mutually exclusive to most.

[(Anonymous)]

Was this the guy who went out planning to write a bunch of deep stuff about nature and then all his journal entries are like "ate some jerky today"?

[(Anonymous)]

I never saw thge movie, but I read the book about 15 years back. I didn't get"spoiled rich brat" but rather "idiot," "pretentious," and "full of himself." He wrote journal entries where he referred to himself in the third person and got really dramatic about his "triumphs." He traveled around a bunch before going to Alaska and was already doing stupid and/or risky things during that time. He had some survival skills and figured he could take care of himself but his skills were for completely different environments and it didn't occur to him that he should consult with people who know how to survive in Alaska specifically before going there because he thought he was just so awesome. The guy who dropped him off said he wasn't dressed appropriately and even gave the guy a sandwhich because he hadn't brought food. I'm sorry he's dead but he was a total idiot.

Everyone shoukd watch Alone in the Wilderness. THAT is how you move to fucking Alaska.

[(Anonymous)]

"died because of his own stupidity... lack of common sense and delusion of exceptionality" yes.
"Spoiled brat... self-importance" no.

Definitely not spoiled brat, considering his upbringing. Even though his parents were rich and he came out of college with tens of thousands of savings, that doesn't mean spoiled. That means lucky in the financial department. Possibly a jerk, definitely pretentious, but I read those as more a defense mechanism stemming from his horrible physical and emotional abuse at home.

I DO agree people who idolize him are idiots, and lack any kind of understanding as to what really happened. They probably just saw the movie, tbh.

[(Anonymous)]

Isn't that the guy who quit his job, moved out into the woods with almost no supplies and froze to death?