[ SECRET POST #3125 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3125 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Comments

[fscom]

09. http://oi58.tinypic.com/32zowlc.jpg

[(Anonymous)]

TBH anon, if someone came down tomorrow and said they could wave a magic wand at me and I'd have everything "fixed" up, I'd do it in a heartbeat. Yeah, it won't really happen and there are less and more sensitive ways to handle it, but if a 'verse has properties that allow disabilities to be instantly healed (like hellooooo, guys, even the Bible has it!), go for it, just don't trivialize the struggles the disabled person has had to face before being zapped.

[(Anonymous)]

Hell yes. I don't know if I'd be considered disabled (probably not) by anyone's definition, but depression cured? Hormonal imbalance that keeps me on medication for life, gone? Absolutely.

[(Anonymous)]

Many people on the internet act like that because they don't understand what is is like to be actually disabled or in chronic pain.

Define "suffer"

[(Anonymous)]

I don't look like you? Still not suffering.

I don't think like you? Still not suffering.

I don't behave like you? Nope, still not suffering.

I have different pain levels than you? Okay maybe it can be said that I'm "suffering" BUT that's not your call to judge, that's mine.

The SJWs take the opposite tack to you, OP, and I hate it every bit as much; they fetishize it to the point where "~ur suffring is Beeeeaaaaauuutiful omg~" which just makes me want to smash things. Preferably their faces but they are anons behind keyboards. So.

TL:DR; extremes are bad, nothing about us without us, etc.

Re: Define "suffer"

[(Anonymous)]

Mentally ill people aren't always the best judge though.

My dad insists that nothing is mentally wrong with him but, well, the evidence and the suffering he put our family through insists the opposite is true.

Re: Define "suffer"

[kallanda_lee]

There are people who objectively suffer, though. Like they get bed sores. Or the have body parts that hurt. Or they have anxiety that really does make their life more uncomfortable.

Like, there is such a thing as objectively suffering.

Re: Define "suffer"

[(Anonymous)]

I've noticed that some people on Tumblr almost seem to romanticize the idea that ~neuroatypicals~ are presh creatures to be patted and coddled and ridicule the idea that in fact there is a statistically definable norm of "average behavior pattern" which defines conventional social interaction.

It may suck, but for whatever reason humans become in some cases deeply unsettled by behavioral deviations from the norm even when it isn't threatening and is usually treatable in very simple ways. For example it is considered decidedly atypical and abnormal to shake one's body parts repeatedly, or babble to oneself, even though those are essentially harmless.

So yes, neurotypicals do have an unfair advantage, but *that's what meds and psychiatric treatment are for*. To help neuroatypicals be able to take on behavior norms that allow them to function smoothly within society and gain access to stable income, housing, etc. I know people shit all over the medical community for not taking the mentally ill seriously enough about establishing a dialog of partners rather than as doctor-supervisor/patient-task-doer, but if meds didn't work people wouldn't be using or making them.

It's not in principle different from a diabetic who doesn't reveal their condition, but does have to take insulin to stay alive, though.

[(Anonymous)]

Don't buy into the fetishization of chronic disability. Miracle cures are a okay. Some times they even happen in real life.

[(Anonymous)]

I would take a cure in a heartbeat. But that is my situation, and I only speak for myself. The problem is speaking for other people without consulting them.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm disabled and I'd stuff Barbara Gordon back into a wheelchair in a heartbeat. While I would take a cure in real life in less than that, when it comes to fiction I guess it is a case of misery loves company. I can guarantee that even if a fairy waved their magic wand and cured me, there would still be a lot for me to work through and I would not go dancing away like it never happened. It would always still have happened and there would always still be behaviors that would be affected by it. Not to mention that every miracle cure in fiction that has the person dancing away like it never happened is one less person like me in the world, and one more little slice of isolation for me. I get it, being disabled is beneath your favorite character, they are imperfect and just not good enough unless they are able bodied.

[(Anonymous)]

I would say that you have to be aware that that might be seen as devaluing disabled folks though.

[ill_omened]

Looking forward to the possibility I'll be alive in the glorious future where stem cell research means that we'll actually have a way to deal with numerous disabilities, and genetic testing offers the possibility of removing countless horrific genetic diseases within a few generations in the west.

[(Anonymous)]

The SJWs that complain about how problematic that is are rarely disabled. Or if they are, they don't suffer from disabilities like chronic pain. A lot of disabled person (including myself) wishes they could wave a magic wand and never have to deal with their disabilities.

Disabilities aren't like being trans or queer. They're limiting and often painful in ways the abled-bodied feminists who are talking over us and for us do not understand or even try and understand.

[herpymcderp]

I actually hate that others get to define that disabilities are something to be proud of and it's now considered poor form to hate your own disability and even to do things to ameliorate it.

I say this as someone with a medical disability who talks to others with similar disabilities frequently.

[(Anonymous)]

know that you're not going to please all people all the time

[(Anonymous)]

This basically raised the question: Is representation more important in fiction that wish fulfilment?

I'm inclined to say yes it is, but I realise I'm talking the wish fulfilment element away from people with disabilities. Which makes me feel really sketchy.

[(Anonymous)]

The trolls sure are strong in this thread.

[(Anonymous)]

Fuck I hate when F!S gets into issues like this. It's never pretty and always a bunch of people speaking over others and screeching "fuck you" at differing opinions like overgrown manchildren (or womanchildren).

[cakemage]

I really appreciate disability representation when I see it, but personally, if I had the chance to be magically pain-free and cured of everything that ails me, I'd do it in a heartbeat, so I can also appreciate the occasional wish-fulfillment cure-all in fiction.

[(Anonymous)]

It's nice for people to see characters like them in things they like. I get more pissed off when disability is used as shorthand or metaphor for a character bring a bad person or incomplete in some way. Or even worse, when a disabled character has issues that aren't really related to the disability, but when their disability is magically or otherwise improbably cured, all their other issues go poof too.

[(Anonymous)]

Go fuck yourself in the pussy/dick, white ciscum perfect person.

[(Anonymous)]

Meanwhile I'd like for there to be one fucking narrative that doesn't make me out to be strong DESPITE my disability or that I NEED to be cured because it directly ties into the "differences = bad" narrative 90% of the time.

Give us more people like Deadpool where he fucking deals with his chronic pain and it's just a fucking huge part of him without being seen as the fucking end of the goddamn world tbh. Because it's insulting to me that the first thing that comes to mind for a character with a disability seems to be "remove the disability somehow."

OP

[(Anonymous)]

Just for the record (not that I think it will change anyone's mind), when I made this secret I was specifically thinking of a character that had recently gone through a medical crisis and come out the other side with partial paralysis, severe intermittent pain, and minor but noticeable body disfiguration. The character hates this condition. The creator(s) of this character are extremely representation-conscious, which makes me doubt the fantastical nature of this work will lead to said character being cured. But if it does I'm positive there will be scary side effects, which I think is fair.

In the end, I just like this character, and I wish they were not in pain.

And finally, again for the record, I've never been medically diagnosed as disabled. I do however suffer from a lifelong congenital condition that causes intermittent episodes of severe pain for which there is no treatment, feeds an existing anxiety issue, and there's a chance that it will interfere with my ability to produce children, an idea that I find horrifying. Despite the fact that over the years my condition has become far more manageable (as a child it was far more pervasive and dangerous, later hormonal changes made a noticeable difference) and my "episodes" have been fewer and farther between, I wish it would go away completely. My life has been positively affected by this condition -- I started homeschooling, which was far better for me than regular school. I would still take a cure. I have learned how to deal with severe pain and live through it. I would still take a cure. I have developed an ability to put the worst of any situation out of my mind, so I could still live life when things looked dire. This ability has also helped me through grief and family emergencies.

I would still take a cure.

[(Anonymous)]

The timing of this rant is very disturbing with the Special Olympics currently going on.