[ SECRET POST #3342 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3342 ⌋

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[fscom]

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[(Anonymous)]

HP shipping wank was actually pretty humorless, ugly, and vicious, though.

[hwc]

Yeah. Harmonians loved to trot out the argument that Ron was an abusive asshole and anyone who shipped Harmione/Ron was enabling and supporting an abusive relationship.

They had their funny sides (their "canon proof" for H/Hr and the insistence that they knew the characters better than JKR after Deathly Hollows), but they could get just as nasty as the shippers today.

[philstar22]

It really was. Although I'd say both sides were ugly and vicious and it always bug me when people talk about that war as if it was one-sided. There were a lot of nasty extremist shippers on both sides. I was part of it and by the end I was so very tired of it. I was tired of my fellow shippers who even started attacking people who shipped H/Hr differently than them. I was tired of canon-only shippers who it seemed thought disliking parts of canon was blasphemy or something. Even though I still love fics, I'm so happy I left the fandom. It just became a miserable place to be for everyone.

[(Anonymous)]

Maybe it's to a lesser extent but I think people have always been self-righteous about their ships and accusing the other side of being problematic in some way, if not in those words. I was briefly in the Avatar fandom and I was a Zutara fan, but I ran away from any discussion of it because both sides were so vicious and horrible. In FFVII, Cloud/Aeris vs Cloud/Tifa is also one of the most, well, verbally violent ship wars ever, and has been basically since 1997. I suppose that "SJW" language maybe wasn't so in place then, but that doesn't mean people weren't just as self-righteous about their ships.

[(Anonymous)]

I mostly just miss not being on the periphery of shipping wars at all. Back in the day, my friends tried to keep things as wank-free as possible. Now it seems like every other person I follow gets dragged into this vicious shit.

[nonnymouscawitz]

Rose tinted nostalgia goggles. It was just as bad, you've just forgotten. Just the other day when I talked about shipping Zutara an anon reminded me that rabid Zutara fans accused Kataang fans of pedophilia, and the Kataang fans referred to Zutara as rapey and abusive. Likewise, Harmonians occasionally accused Heron fans of supporting abuse because Hermione and Ron bickered all the time. And there was a lot of Ron hate in general.

[(Anonymous)]

Ship wars have always been super irritating and it's always been something I wish fandom took less seriously.

I have friends who told me they would lose followers if they admitted to liking a ship (not even disrespecting other ships, just stating that they LIKE something), that is just downright ridiculous to me.

[(Anonymous)]

I remember Harry/Hermione shippers accusing Ron/Hermione, and OBHWF shippers in general, of condoning and promoting abuse and that was years ago. There's always been that element to the ship wars.

[dahli]

I miss laughing at them. Goddamn, the things they came up with.

[(Anonymous)]

No input on ship wars, I just wanted to say I really, really like your background image.

[(Anonymous)]

I remember I was on a obscure forum while Heroes was on air and we tried to settle the little shipping war that was brewing in our close-knit community by having a fanart battle - each side would try to produce the most fanart/fanfic for their favorite pairing.

Good times.

Some people were still jerks about it, though.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't think the shippers were better back then. It's just that people don't really make fun of crazy shippers any more. IDK why.

[ninety6tears]

I think there's been a transition from ship wars being this overtly competitive thing to us "all agreeing that ship bashing is in bad taste" while disguising that we continue to do it under the moral debates. That being said, the ethical talk is interesting and important to me, I just think it's possible to step back from the point and say, "but what you ship doesn't matter as long as you're conscious of such and such implications."

[nightscale]

While I do hate how more widespread it it, it isn't new, you just had to dig a bit more to find the 'you're problematic for liking this ship' kind of talk.

Sadly fandom has always had a bug up its butt about shipping and it doesn't look like it's going away anytime soon(it's why I mostly stick to the fringes, I don't care what people ship, I just want to be left alone to enjoy mine).

[(Anonymous)]

Nah, it was still there. The whole "you're homophobic if you don't ship this slash pairing" vs. "you're misogynistic if you don't ship this het pairing" thing's always been around.

[eleganceliberty]

Nah, Ship wars have always been unfunny and quite frankly, obnoxious. It's just that the majority of the "classic" ship wank has been lost to time (be it through deletion of Geocities sites, DA accounts being deactivated, etc) and most people only remember the stupid stuff that popped up on places like Fandom Wank.

Thing is, EVERYTHING is cyclical. Fandom isn't an exception. Yeah, it may seem like shipping wars these days are even uglier with this, that, and the other thing with accusations, smear campaigns, etc. But honestly, they weren't much different even 10 years ago. Or 15, for that matter. (I still remember the ugly ship wars between the Fox McCloud/Fara Phoenix and Fox/Krystal shippers in the Star Fox fandom, before it got fractured even more with each subsequent game)

But the big difference between then and now is that, during the LJ days, people were more insulated and everything wasn't completely out in the open. You could be involved in a fandom and not have to trip over the OTT bullshit that would go on elsewhere. With Tumblr, Twitter, etc., all of that is now out in the open and thus the unfunny stuff is amplified by tenfold. Especially since doxxing is now a thing and is, sadly, often encouraged by people who don't know when the hell to step back from the goddamn computer and get a reality check.

Like, I doubt that half the stuff going down in the Steven Universe or Force Awakens fandoms with their ship wars would be as notorious as it is right now if we were still in the LJ-style era, but w/e.

[(Anonymous)]

IMHO, ship wars were always pretty ugly. I remember fighting with my friends over the ending of Digimon Adventure and the pairings we got in the epilogue. That was in fifth grade before we even knew what shipping was.

[(Anonymous)]

Every ship war I've ever seen is more about shaming the other people rather than what ship would work out better.

I've seen people twist stuff so much to fit their arguments to the point I don't think we are talking about the same characters anymore.

I wish more people would just stay in their lane and let other people enjoy their own stuff.

[(Anonymous)]

Honestly, I think a lot of shipping wars have gotten a lot worse. And this is coming from someone who has been on the net since the "good" old Prodigy board days. I mean, some ship wars could get catty, but not to the levels that I've seen now: "Oh, you like THAT ship!? Go kill yourself now!"

It's one thing to have a verbal tit-a-tat over ships, but freaking death and violence threats!? Or maybe I hung out in less crazy fandoms to notice? I remember the Cloud/Aerith vs Cloud/Tifa from FF7, but it was never ever as bad as, say the Dragon Age fandom in general.

[(Anonymous)]

As a ton of people above me have said, I think the only difference is that back then, people didn't use as many buzzwords or academic-sounding language. No ~problematic~ sniveling or talk of "female bodies as a site of the juxtaposition of intersecting oppressive powers" horseshit, they just straight-up called ships and shippers sexist, racist, homophobic, classist, etc.

Which was WAAAAAYYYY more palatable to me personally because I cannot fucking stand putting your accusations of bigotry on the pedestal of academic mumbo-jumbo, but it was still every bit as nasty and ugly if not more so (it was a lot more direct and openly hostile, instead of being directed towards a generalized "anyone who..." and passive-aggressive in tone).

[(Anonymous)]

I kind of agree. I mean, there have always been ship wars, but nowadays the attacks seem a lot more personal and below the belt.

[(Anonymous)]

A lot of stuff seems to have a nasty undertone of self righteousness nowadays. It's very tiresome.

[(Anonymous)]

People take these things waaaaay too seriously. It's a shame, we all could be having more fun if people just made fun things and enjoyed them without passing judgement on each other.

[(Anonymous)]

My feelings exactly, OP!