[ SECRET POST #5967 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #5967 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Gonna have to call bullshit on this secret.

Where is all this Spike slander you speak of? Because it doesn't even have a tag on TikTok. And it sure as shit isn't something found on reddit, Tumblr, or anywhere else.

You know what tag does exist? Xanderslander. Do you know where it's possible to have a civil half decent conversation about Buffy the Vampire Slayer that doesn't devolve into a manic diatribe about how awful Xander is? You do? Can you tell me where it is? Because I can't find such a mythical place anywhere.

Get the fuck outta here with that 'Leave Spike Alone!' nonsense. Call me when Spike receives even a fraction of the bashing Xander gets. I expect you to call me never.

[(Anonymous)]

You are engaging in bad faith rhetoric, or are fucking stupid; bitching about how Spike is irredeemable is like 90% of the discourse regarding the character these days. Yes, we get it, people should be ashamed of liking the hot guy and he is totally an evil rapist. Now do be a good person and fuck right off.

[(Anonymous)]

DA doesn’t the majority of the fandom give him a pass on the attempted rape because he didn’t have a soul yet and it was only an attempt?

[(Anonymous)]

I feel like it's still pretty divisive. Idk. It would be hard to tell what a majority thinks bc no one is out here running scientific polls of Buffy Fandom.

[(Anonymous)]

Just passing by, but I think this is a fair point.

[(Anonymous)]

The attempted rape is bad, but it is in the context of him and Buffy playing consensual sex games where they physically injured each other and did use no-means-yes as part of that sexual relationship. It was attempted rape, but because neither he nor Buffy had set a safe word for their no-means-yes violent sex games, it was also inevitable. Also in the context that Buffy had done something very similar to him a few episodes earlier and he had quickly gone from apparently sincerely protesting to actively enjoying the activity too. It was a shitty situation, but also this is what happens when people don't set safewords or discuss their redlines when playing with BDSM. Always set your safewords and discuss limits in advance, children.

And yes, the soulless monster thing too.

[(Anonymous)]

DA

See, this has nuance and I agree with you, in terms of what was actually going on between the characters. And I think a lot of people saw it that way, and also took into account the fact that Buffy was entirely capable of overpowering Spike, so if it came down to one of them forcing the other, the likelihood of her being victimized by him was pretty small.

But the people in fandom who seem to think the point of fiction is to Teach Moral Lessons are 100% resistant to taking stuff like that into account. They want to be right and they want things to be simple, and anything short of "Spike broke an Important Rule, that was Rape, and Rapists are Evil" was and continues to be perceived by them as immoral, confusing, and dangerous. Even though it is really none of these things.

[(Anonymous)]

Bitch, where?

Where are you seeing all this supposed Spike bashing?

I fucking dare YOU to go on reddit or TikTok and try and talk shit about Spike. Go, on, I fucking DARE YOU. You'll get metaphorically gutted and downvoted into hell.

Spike bashing is nothing compared to #Xanderslander. You can't spend five minutes in Buffy fandom without someone, out of fucking nowhere bashing Xander. While Spike can do no wrong, even before he got a soul, and gets fellated on the reg. Xander *breaths* and gets called an incel stalker.

Gitthafuckouttahere!

[(Anonymous)]

I see plenty of Spike bashing on Twitter.

Also Xander does suck. Spike also sucks. Xander's suckiness does take up a larger percentage of his screen time though I think so there is that.

[(Anonymous)]

Twitter? Are you serious? Again, I ask where? Show me, because I can show you a shit tonne of Xanderslander because it's EVERYWHERE.

I can't go anywhere in fandom and not have to endure nonstop Xander hate. It never stops. Never.

There's A. Fucking. Hashtag for Xander hate. Where's Spike's hate hashtag?

And miss me with that 'Both sides suck' bullshit too.

[(Anonymous)]

Lmao

Anyway, I think Spike and Xander should kiss, that's where I'm at.

[(Anonymous)]

Wrong.

If Xander is going to be in a relationship with anyone he should be with Anya, treating her right. And if he's not with Anya he shouldn't be around so I can be with Anya treating her right

[(Anonymous)]

You raise an EXCELLENT point.

does this make me old?

[(Anonymous)]

I remember when Spike/Xander was the most popular ship. I couldn't browse rec lists without running into that pairing. It's been years since I've been anywhere near the fandom though.

Re: does this make me old?

[(Anonymous)]

I remember those days too, so I guess this makes me old as well. I already knew I was, though.

Re: does this make me old?

[(Anonymous)]

Same, anon.

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[(Anonymous)]

I shipped Spike/Xander back in those days! And I remember quite a bit of Spike bashing from the anti-slash crowd back in the day, mostly centered on the attempted rape and how we're all rape apologists and monsters if we ship Spike with poor defenseless human Xander.

Re: does this make me old?

[(Anonymous)]

Oh my god. I can totally see it, but I had no idea. I was close enough to read the fic, but didn't hang around the fandom enough to see people editorializing like that.

Re: does this make me old?

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT I definitely remember those days lol

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[(Anonymous)]

YO I remember that. I think it was because of that episode(s?) when Spike was held captive in Xander's house. ...If I remember correctly. It's been 10 years since I last saw this show.

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[(Anonymous)]

I'm also that old.

[(Anonymous)]

i can write some spike slander right now if you like

because fuck spike and fuck anybody who thinks he's a decent character; he was GREAT for about three episodes, stories like school hard and lovers walk and the harsh light of day where he rolls in, FUCKS UP EVERYTHING and rolls on out again

but as soon as they turned him into a main character he became a total mess, written inconsistently from one week to the next (he went from "you glow" to "you're addicted to the misery" in less than fifteen minutes of screen time), and then he became a literal (attempted) rapist

and then s7 degenerated into being all about him, with buffy herself degenerating into complete dependency on him, to the extent where the glorious feminist finale is undercut by the world being saved by a rapist's heroic sacrifice. which lasts the entirety of one off-season before he's back on angel

so yeah, fuck spike and fuck people who stan for rapists

there you go, there's some spike slander :)

[(Anonymous)]

Got. DAMN!

[(Anonymous)]

Nayrt

I don't care if people stan him, but I support the rest of your tirade!

[(Anonymous)]

Nailed it, good work