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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2023-05-08 05:59 pm

[ SECRET POST #5967 ]


⌈ Secret Post #5967 ⌋

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(Anonymous) 2023-05-08 11:13 pm (UTC)(link)
But what if people are liking characters I don't like and won't stop when I tell them to? Unless I keep pissing all over the thing they like all the time, then they might go on liking it without me having the final say on their opinions?

(Anonymous) 2023-05-08 11:14 pm (UTC)(link)
You can like what other people dislike. Other people can dislike what you like. It's really not anymore complicated than that tbh.

(Anonymous) 2023-05-08 11:18 pm (UTC)(link)
OP, I stand with you 100%

(Anonymous) 2023-05-08 11:23 pm (UTC)(link)
Gonna have to call bullshit on this secret.

Where is all this Spike slander you speak of? Because it doesn't even have a tag on TikTok. And it sure as shit isn't something found on reddit, Tumblr, or anywhere else.

You know what tag does exist? Xanderslander. Do you know where it's possible to have a civil half decent conversation about Buffy the Vampire Slayer that doesn't devolve into a manic diatribe about how awful Xander is? You do? Can you tell me where it is? Because I can't find such a mythical place anywhere.

Get the fuck outta here with that 'Leave Spike Alone!' nonsense. Call me when Spike receives even a fraction of the bashing Xander gets. I expect you to call me never.

(Anonymous) 2023-05-08 11:25 pm (UTC)(link)
You are engaging in bad faith rhetoric, or are fucking stupid; bitching about how Spike is irredeemable is like 90% of the discourse regarding the character these days. Yes, we get it, people should be ashamed of liking the hot guy and he is totally an evil rapist. Now do be a good person and fuck right off.

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(Anonymous) 2023-05-08 11:30 pm (UTC)(link)
Lmao

Anyway, I think Spike and Xander should kiss, that's where I'm at.

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does this make me old?

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(Anonymous) 2023-05-09 12:09 am (UTC)(link)
i can write some spike slander right now if you like

because fuck spike and fuck anybody who thinks he's a decent character; he was GREAT for about three episodes, stories like school hard and lovers walk and the harsh light of day where he rolls in, FUCKS UP EVERYTHING and rolls on out again

but as soon as they turned him into a main character he became a total mess, written inconsistently from one week to the next (he went from "you glow" to "you're addicted to the misery" in less than fifteen minutes of screen time), and then he became a literal (attempted) rapist

and then s7 degenerated into being all about him, with buffy herself degenerating into complete dependency on him, to the extent where the glorious feminist finale is undercut by the world being saved by a rapist's heroic sacrifice. which lasts the entirety of one off-season before he's back on angel

so yeah, fuck spike and fuck people who stan for rapists

there you go, there's some spike slander :)

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(Anonymous) 2023-05-08 11:24 pm (UTC)(link)
Where tf are you hanging out that people are bashing Spike? I honestly thought anyone who doesn’t think he’s the best/sexiest character ever abandoned spike worshipping fandom spaces long ago.

(Anonymous) 2023-05-09 12:49 am (UTC)(link)
You gotta go to different circles. I fucking hate Spike and for a long time I was the opposite of you because all I saw was Spike love, but then I found different fan circles and life got better. That being said, I've been out of the fandom for years so maybe that's not true and the fandom as a whole just hates on Spike? Makes me curious about who the fandom darlings are and who else they hate.

(Anonymous) 2023-05-09 01:00 am (UTC)(link)
Y'know, I thought this was a joke secret when I saw it, but apparently there is a wound... 0_o

(Anonymous) 2023-05-09 01:12 am (UTC)(link)
I did too, honestly.

(Anonymous) 2023-05-09 01:14 am (UTC)(link)
+100000

(Anonymous) 2023-05-09 01:40 am (UTC)(link)
The worst part is I love Spike. He's one of my favorite characters, so I know the amount of love he gets in fandom. That's why this secret, if it's real, makes my teeth hurt. Because it's a lie. And an obvious lie at that.

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(Anonymous) 2023-05-09 07:15 pm (UTC)(link)
"Pain here" was about what I got from it from the start. I'm glad the OP spoke up.
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[personal profile] tabaqui 2023-05-09 01:43 am (UTC)(link)
Whooooooooooooooooooot!!
Fuck Yeah! Spike 4EVAH!!!!
*twirls you*

(Anonymous) 2023-05-09 02:26 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, no worries, OP. Spike rocks, even after all these years, and I'm glad you feel like saying it.

(Anonymous) 2023-05-09 02:40 am (UTC)(link)
Also, I am entirely there for people being done with fandom political correctness.

(Anonymous) 2023-05-09 02:52 am (UTC)(link)
It's a shame you had to be around people who turned against Spike, because what I remember is that the show pulled what it thought would be a trump card to get the whole audience to treat him like a villain again ... and overall, it didn't work. Sounds like you missed out on when fans who already loved Spike doubled down on it, but if it's any consolation, that happened.

(Anonymous) 2023-05-09 06:24 am (UTC)(link)
i remember when the show used that as the justification for the sequence... and that some of the more ardent fans were trying to paint BUFFY as the aggressor in that scene, particularly after a season of, as they put it, "conditioning him to not accept that no means no"

at which point the show was basically lost

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(Anonymous) 2023-05-09 03:11 am (UTC)(link)
I just appreciate that it's clear you've been holding this in since 1999, so go off, OP.

I like Spike and Angel, bc fictional problematic bad boys in leather coats are my fucking jam & jelly so...


(Anonymous) 2023-05-09 07:45 pm (UTC)(link)
DA

I can relate, but my mom kind of spoiled my enjoyment of Angel. I brought the Buffy series home one year from university, and watched it with my family, and she liked Spike just fine, but she was scathingly critical of Angel, for being arrogant enough to make choices for himself and Buffy, simply because he was much older and thought he knew what they would both want in the future, based on other relationships he'd had with other people that had fallen apart. That seemed horribly dismissive to her - that instead of treating Buffy like someone unique, he tried to avoid the mistakes he'd made with other people by abandoning her. And when I thought about it, that seemed like a very reasonable criticism to have, but it made it impossible for me to keep taking the premise of "the loving thing to do is move away and never see you again" seriously. Buffy suffered a lot of loneliness because she had a few people above her (Giles, mostly) and below her (the Scoobies) but no one who could really be with her, and Spike had a lot going for him but he also didn't have much of a chance with Buffy because the one she wished she could have, forever, was Angel.

The part at the end where Spike's dying and she tells him she loves him and he goes "no, you don't. But it's nice of you to say" ... he sees her. Because for Buffy, it was and always would be Angel, and Angel's the only one in the series that couldn't see that.

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*popcorn gif*

(Anonymous) 2023-05-09 09:06 am (UTC)(link)
That's about the mood for this thread, yeah
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[personal profile] kulturschnepfe 2023-05-09 08:37 am (UTC)(link)
It's not that I hate him, I just don't like him. Do I fuck off as well?

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