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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2024-07-28 03:41 pm

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(Anonymous) 2024-07-28 08:06 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah. I want to believe people are just enjoying their headcanons and AUs or whatever, but I've seen way too many people being called transphobic for daring to write the canonically cis version of a character popularly fanon'd as trans, or ableist for daring to headcanon X character's behaviour as something other than *insert very specific fandom-designated diagnoses here*.

Fandom has become ridiculously possessive of their collective headcanons in recent years, and IMHO, this is just the natural combination of that and the increasinglt attitude of "anyone who doesn't actively endorse and support Thing in every single post they make, relevant or not, is clearly anti-Thing and must be shunned, hounded, and doxxed until they change their evil ways".

(Anonymous) 2024-07-28 09:08 pm (UTC)(link)
+100
One of the things that has been alienating me from fandom is how mean the possessiveness gets.

(Anonymous) 2024-07-28 09:11 pm (UTC)(link)
Yep this. Not the trans issue but same problem: I was very happy to not be in the Harry Potter fandom when anyone who didn't portray Harry and/or James as Desi/Indian was called racist some time back just because it suddenly was the new popular headcanon.

(Anonymous) 2024-07-28 11:43 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm like this with some sexuality headcanons, and I near exclusively headcanon my faves as non straight. So many young lgbt people don't know what queercoding means and use it for any character they think has "vibes".

(Anonymous) 2024-07-28 11:22 pm (UTC)(link)
Characters. Are. Not. Canonically. Cis. Unless. Explicitly. Stated.

Why can yall grasp this with gay and bi and ace but not trans?

(Anonymous) 2024-07-28 11:31 pm (UTC)(link)
Because the likelihood of a trans person passing so well that it's impossible to tell is next to nil.

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(Anonymous) 2024-07-28 11:44 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah... they are. Because, and I know you hate this, the majority of people are cis. Characters are also canonically straight and allo unless explicitly stated, which is why we tag them as gay when we write them in a gay relationship. They're in the M/M or F/F section AND they get a relationship tag. Just because these are also the tags they would get if they were canonically gay doesn't mean they aren't tagged as such when they're not canonically gay.

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[personal profile] feotakahari 2024-07-29 12:05 am (UTC)(link)
Shoutout to that person who was quoted on Fandom Wank as saying it’s silly to expect slash to be in
character, because it’s already out of character to write straight guys as attracted to men.

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(Anonymous) 2024-07-29 12:50 am (UTC)(link)
Ok but the vast majority of people are cis so that's therefore the presumption.

On the other hand, gay/ace or bi can be hinted at in the text of the show, if its' not outright spoken. That's why some people will take a hint/grasp that someone may be another sexuality.

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(Anonymous) 2024-07-29 01:54 am (UTC)(link)
I mean, I guess you can headcanon an adult character whose childhood is shown in flashbacks as trans, if you speculate that they started getting gender-affirming care in toddlerhood.

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(Anonymous) 2024-07-29 05:59 am (UTC)(link)
They are though. They 100 % are canonically cis if not stated otherwise. Them being trans is a headcanon.

(Anonymous) 2024-07-29 07:28 am (UTC)(link)
Yes, they are. Because cis is the default, much like heterosexuality, and it's noted if someone doesn't fit that norm. Hard to accept for some folks, apparently, but that's how it is.

(Anonymous) 2024-07-29 09:22 am (UTC)(link)
Um. I'm aroace and personally I think it's completely fine and sensible to presume a character is allo if there isnt at least some very substantial ambiguity.

Like I dont think Sherlock Holmes should be presumed allo, because who even knows with that guy. And most people DON'T presume to know his sexuality, in my experience, so that's nice.

But the majority of characters aren't overtly ambiguous enough to not be presumed allo until proven/suggested otherwise, IMO.

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(Anonymous) 2024-07-28 09:09 pm (UTC)(link)
Unless the "trans headcanon" folks are requesting that you don't write any headcanon that's inconsistent with the popular headcanon, I don't see how you're being asked to leave any sandbox. Or is this a preemptive decision based on a past bad experience?

(Anonymous) 2024-07-28 09:13 pm (UTC)(link)
Not OP but I mean, I have seen it happen in some fandoms that if you didn't write/draw a "claimed" character as the thing they were claimed as, you got major hate so yeah, it can happen.

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(Anonymous) 2024-07-28 09:18 pm (UTC)(link)
It doesn't have to go that far, but I've definitely seen situations where a particular headcanon gets really popular and then people who don't subscribe to it are treated like they're Doing It Wrong, which is pretty silly. It's just that when it comes to trans headcanons, emotions are running pretty damn high and it's easy to go ohhhh, you don't share this headcanon? Transphobe! because people are either being jerks or so invested that not sharing their headcanon feels like a personal attack to them. It's not rational, but it's totally fandom.

(Anonymous) 2024-07-28 10:34 pm (UTC)(link)
I’ve seen headcanons become the defacto fanon and anyone who doesn’t go with the crowd is subjected to abuse. It’s especially grievous with trans headcanons because anyone who doesn’t treat it as canon is called a transphobe. There have been doxxings, threats, plus general abuse. There’s very much an air of “get out of our sandbox” in the fandoms where I’ve run across a headcanon being taken as canon and sometimes it’s even spelled out.

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(Anonymous) 2024-07-29 04:18 am (UTC)(link)
DA. Not only trans but a lot of headcanons but I've stopped reading and making stuff for some fandoms because
1) some people are aggressive if you don't include their headcanon
2) most works are with this headcanon and if you are not interested in it you have nothing left to read

(Anonymous) 2024-07-28 10:31 pm (UTC)(link)
I just want them to be tagged. It's not canon, it's a headcanon. Write it all you want but for godsake don't act like it's canon and should be expected and therefore shouldn't be tagged and then call me a transphobe for wanting it tagged.

(Anonymous) 2024-07-28 11:07 pm (UTC)(link)
What I want is for people to stop calling it a "headcanon" and just be honest about what it is: an AU.

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(Anonymous) 2024-07-29 01:08 am (UTC)(link)
this. please tag your goddamned boypussy!RPF slash i am BEGGING people

(Anonymous) 2024-07-28 11:27 pm (UTC)(link)
I only get ticked off when all the people writing hot noncon smut premises I'd be into otherwise are making the guy getting nonconned trans or a cuntboy. Same shit different tags, they always want the guy to have a vagina when there's rape involved and that definitely has, uh, unfortunate implications. But not hot to me personally and I don't want to read about PiV ever.

(Anonymous) 2024-07-29 05:59 am (UTC)(link)
I don't think I'll ever understand what people gain by changing everything about a character to the point they do not resemble their canon-selves anymore and then enforcing that fanon version on everyone. I've noticed this behaviour in my fandom few years back and it created a really hostile atmosphere and it eventually ended up chasing creators our of fandom while actively ruined meta talk of the media because the canon was not in line with the fanon and it angered people.

(Anonymous) 2024-07-29 05:51 pm (UTC)(link)
Most of the fandom I'm in HCs my fave as trans, and that's fine. Most fans including me enjoy both trans and cis versions of the character. And those who don't like both generally read/draw/discuss only their preferred version without being weird about any other version. Except sometimes there will be vagueposts like "jumpscared by cis [character]" and that is kind of frustrating as someone who writes him as cis. I think it comes across as rude to imply that fanworks that don't share your HC is that jarring, even in a joking way.