[ SECRET POST #1660 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1660 ⌋


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Secrets Left to Post: 04 pages, 90 secrets from Secret Submission Post #237.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 1 2 3 - too big ], [ 1 - this happened because people kept having 'secret wars' posting replies back and forth. The longest one I remember went for over 5 weeks ], [ 1 - repeats ]
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Comments

[fscom.livejournal.com]

21. http://i56.tinypic.com/2wd7yts.png

[(Anonymous)]

lol didn't read

[netbug009.livejournal.com]

Don't respect anybody's opinion of your fic if they can't say it to your face. Period.

"But Netbug, I don't leave honest reviews because the writer gets all butthurt and flames me sometimes!"

You share your opinion, some people won't like it. That's life. Grow up and leave honest critique for the sake of the people who deserve it. If you get a rude reply, which is less often than you'd think, it's as easy as hitting the delete key.

[eiremauve.livejournal.com]

Don't give up! It might be a good idea to write a story wherein those trolls learn the error of the ways or get punished, to exorcise the demons. Just dictate it into a microphone or something, if you can't type it. Try to find an encouraging person to help you.

I am of two minds

[(Anonymous)]

1. Yes, they were a bunch of douche canoes and they hurt your feelings.

2. But, from what I gather, they didn't contact you. They chatted about it amongst themselves.

As a writer, your base goal is to amuse people. Well, you did. Perhaps not in the way intended, but as the writer, you can't control that. It's all well and good to say that people shouldn't be dicks, but people *are*. And judging by the amount of dicks that exist, I'd wager it's even human nature.

Look, my friends and I, we gather around and mock the hell out of TV shows and movies. It's fun. We enjoy dissembling the works. We're not always correct in our fun making, because well, these aren't the kind of critiques we'd ever send to the writers/directors. These are just us being a bunch of jackasses in our places of residence. And it's unfortunate, but what you happened upon was an internet living room. They have as much right to be jackasses here as anywhere.

Sure, you feel bad. And you can feel bad if you want to. But what you read, it wasn't really about you. It was about them. They wanted to have a laugh and they did so, utalizing the information you presented on the internet. :/

That's what happens. But hey, look at Twilight. That woman has scores of passionate haters who go out of their way to mock her and her lifestyle to the ends of the earth. She's also raking in money hand over fist. So in the end, you know you created a work of fiction capable of inciting people towards strong emotion.

Congratuations. It may not feel like it, but you've actually just succeeded.

[(Anonymous)]

I had something similar happen. there was a huge falling out with a group of friends. At least they had the courtesy to hate on me to my face but they made it pretty clear that they thought that I was the worst sort of fan and totally doing it wrong. For months I couldn't write because I could shake what they said but after time I got over it and have been happily writing fics that a nice little bunch of people really like.

So, give it time, that's all I can say. And don't let people get you down.

[ronsard.livejournal.com]

I'm just curious, if they were all anonymous and yet never left you a comment, where did they congregate to talk smack about you? And how did you ever find out? That is a pretty crappy situation to find yourself in, though, you have my sympathy. Whatevs, man, rare pairings are cool and I appreciate the people dedicated to writing them even if they're not my thing. It's one thing to hate and mock a pairing, but going after the fans who ship it? Who does that?

[(Anonymous)]

Oh, OP. As the poet says, haters gonna hate.

Like others have said, it's not really about you, but about trolls searching for lulz.

Also, just as badfic about the OTP will get more praise than it deserves, so will goodfic with a rare pairing will get more brickbats.

Do you have a beta, or two? Having one is not only about avoiding mistakes; they are a little cheering section, so you don't feel you are writing in a vaccum

[(Anonymous)]

I really get where you're coming from, OP. I'm not going to tell you to just try to write again or to ignore it because people are assholes, because advice like that doesn't help - I've gotten it myself, and all it did was frustrate me, because it doesn't take the hurt away, nor does it take away those memories of seeing that and feeling your heart break.

But maybe you should try to find a way to reassociate writing with something positive. Go back and reread all the good, positive feedback people gave you. (I copy mine over to a Word document and then pull it out whenever I start feeling like that; it reminds me every time that a couple of jealous dipshits mean nothing compared to dozens of happy, encouraging comments.) Reread your old fics, too; remind yourself how much fun it was to write them, how much you enjoyed it.

Most of all? Don't guilt yourself or feel bad about not wanting to write after something like that. It hurts like fuck, and that sort of thing sticks with you.

Good luck.

[(Anonymous)]

I went through something similar in skating fandom, where we used to have a very nasty and dedicated group of anon trolls, so I know how you feel. I wish I had advice for you, but really I just wanted to commiserate and give you a virtual hug, because I know how crappy you feel.

[(Anonymous)]

i wonder if this is related to tennis fandom hmmm

[ninety6tears.livejournal.com]

Back when I was regularly one of the few people who wrote for a pretty rare and often hated pairing, I always had this lingering feeling that to somebody out there I was "that fucking author who's obsessed with A/B," because people tend to have the bully response to anyone who is one of the few people doing something they have a stick up their ass against. Pretty much whenever a nasty anon meme goes around, you see people saying stuff like "What's up with that person always writing that shit?" Thankfully I never saw much of that attitude in that particular fandom, but every fandom has its nasty moments.

It really sucks that those people were doing that anywhere that you would be likely to find it : ( Give it some time and you'll probably get right back into writing again.

[(Anonymous)]

Let me put it this way OP: Everyone's a critic. It's fun and easy to sit and snicker and nitpick and rip everything apart to little tiny pieces especially if you weren't the one who took the time to write something in the first place. Some people get a vicious kick out of it. Same with trolling. Maybe I'm just too old and bored by the whole "12 year old girls giggling and snickering together" act, but if I were in your shoes I would have a hard time taking people like that seriously. Just go find the people who share your interests or have an appreciation for unusual pairings. The only people who troll fanfic writers are either extremely awkward and immature adults, or teenage girls who are too silly to know any better. I can guarantee if you met these people in person you would laugh and wonder why you ever worried about them in the first place.

[fairhearing.livejournal.com]

Troll them. Trolling is always the answer, plus it's really fun. Then steal their personal information and post it on 4chan. Then feed them their own children in a pie and format C:\ drive.

NO BUT really, that sucks and they're stupame. Luckily the internet is a place where it's easier to start over with a new identity or pseudonym, which might help. Also, anon fic memes might be a good way to ease yourself back into feeling confident.

Also really do troll them

[mutantjules.livejournal.com]

that suuuuuuuuucks, OP, holy shit. Trolls gonna troll and all, but ouch =/ still, don't give up!

Here's some TL;DR for your TL;DR.

[(Anonymous)]

Dear OP:

If anyone's the coward and sociopath here, it sounds like it would be you. Oh, and let's add narcissist to the mix, too.

Really? "Who in their right mind does that"? MOST people do that, nonny. People make friends, and they chat and joke and sometimes bitch about common interests. Or do you not have any friends you've "ranted" to before? Maybe you don't, since you're clearly the type who would rather post a TL;DR whine-fest martyring yourself about some goddamned fanfic. Chances are, you're not the only person these cruel, evil, raging "sociopaths" (do you even know the definition of the word?) have been so heartless and mean about. Except, oh, wait, evidently they've been "snarking" about you only amongst themselves and anonymously. How do you even know this has been going on? I can only guess that you went looking for it, and/or you just started obsessing and assuming everything was about you.

Look at it this way, it could be much, much worse. They could have pulled some LJ-drama wangst, posting thinly-veiled shit about you to everyone in your common fandom, banned you from communities on the basis of made-up drama that you never had any part in, and maybe even go so far as to compose fanfic intended as a direct mockery and insult to you as a writer and a person. They could have taken every opportunity they could to post about you fanficrants instead of keeping their shit amongst themselves.

And seriously? That last line of your secret? GET HELP. Get out of the fucking house. And yeah, maybe you shouldn't be even trying to write fanfic (or other), if you're this unhinged about this shit. Either that or you're like, 12 and haven't yet matured beyond this sort of melodramatic blame-bullshit.

PS - get off the fucking cross. We need the wood.

Signed,

Someone who either knows exactly who you are, or has had to put up with a whiny little self-centered and delusional drama queen just like you.

[transemacabre.livejournal.com]

Oh, anon, I feel for you. Recently, I happened across a delicious index that included my fic -- a very long fic I worked hard on and am very proud of -- and the summary they gave for my fic was something like "degenerated into bad porn and mpreg" (well the bad porn part is subjective, but the mpreg part is rather inaccurate, for reasons too long to go into).

What really creeped me out was that this same delicious index was FILLED with other fics, all of which had scathing or dismissive summaries like mine. Why would anyone take the time to save and tags dozens of fics they think are mediocre or even bad? It absolutely boggled my mind.

So I guess what I'm trying to say into a rambling and TL;DR sort of way is, I've been where you are now OP, and yes, it burns like scalding water, and no, it shouldn't stop you from writing. I hate sounding like a "Oh, but if you stop writing fanfic, the terrorists will have won!" crazy person, but if you love writing fic, don't let anyone take that away from you.

There are douchenozzles out there. You were the unknowing victim of some of them. But at the end of the day, you still get to be a happy and creative fan, and they get to be douchenozzles.

[rabidsamfan.livejournal.com]

*hugs* That was a rotten thing to happen, OP, and I'm sorry it happened to you. If it's any comfort, in an anon setting like that, it may have actually only been one person and a bunch of sockpuppets being stupid.

In any case, if they clearly didn't read carefully and were only out to snark, their opinions aren't worth the electrons they wasted to send them to the internet. I hope the sting fades and you'll be able to write again soon.

[danaphilip.livejournal.com]

You should probably learn to grow a thicker skin there and take criticism a little better.

And if people are saying "it's not clear" than obviously your text wasn't plain enough for them. But there's no need to please everyone. Just sayin'...

[(Anonymous)]

My friends and I mock shit we don't like all the time. If they were doing it in private, it's really none of your business. And unless they acted nice to your face while they were mean in private, it wasn't behind your back, it was just private.

And I don't think them not saying it to your face was a lack of bravery, they probably just didn't feel the need to break your fragile little heart, since private mocking amongst friends is done for fun rather than drama.

I don't doubt there are people who snark my stuff in private either. It just doesn't bother me and I'll never see it unless they bring it to my attention to start drama.

[ocelli.livejournal.com]

I'm a writer who has been mocked. I've even been addressed as a sociopath here before. (It was pretty lulzy.) I've received flames, been told to "go die," and I'm pretty sure the subject matter of 99.9% of my stories would send people into obnoxious raging. Guaranteed, there is no doubt about that.

But I mock stupid shit I find in private with my friends. I don't like something, I say it to them. I don't go and tread on your toes and say HEY YOU SUCK. There is about one occasion I have actually stepped out of my usually neutral shell and told someone they were just awful at what they were doing (and I stand by the fact they were awful as fuck) and I did feel bad afterward.

But I see no problem about people complaining. People complain. It's funny when people complain about people complaining. I'm not saying that complaining doesn't get annoying, but we're hypocrites. As far as I'm concerned, you've every right to hate and trash something if you do so in the proper and respectful settings. GOOD: talking shit about a fic I found to a friend on MSN. BAD: talking shit about a fic I found with a friend on the writer's journal comments. You can still live and let live while enjoying some ribbing.

The fact was these guys did so on their territory. And if they complain and go OH MY GOD, they should realize they made this public and as such, expect backlash. UNLESS, of course, these conversations and whatnot were not public and you had to skip around a bit to access them.

tl;dr i write, i mock, i get mocked, i continue writing, so should you and know that people are always going to be jerks and assholes, in private or public. and if you want to be a professional writer, i highly suggest you get into a stronger mindset.

[writerserenyty.livejournal.com]

OMG OP I WANT TO HUG YOU SO BAD RIGHT NOW.

That is AWFUL; I have a weird button about when people are made fun of behind their back because it's SO hurtful.

Honestly, don't let it get to you. People who talk shit behind other peoples' backs do it to make themselves feel good, regardless of what you're doing. I know it hurts a lot, but it's not related to you at all or your pairing. If what they were saying was honest critique to your face that would be one thing, but this is cowardly and small, and not related to you.

*Hugs for OP*

[megalomaniageek.livejournal.com]

GPOY a few years ago
Eventually it fades OP. Maybe it'd help to change fandoms or at least change the focus of your writing. Do something small like a drabble just to flex the writing muscle again.
Also, consider the kinds of people you find on the internet. Consider all the kids who equate cynicism with maturity and think they've got life figured out before the end of high school, the tinhats who think aliens built the pyramids, and middle-aged men in arrested development.
I often make the same mistakes I did before, assuming that the critic is smarter and more insightful than the praiser; of course, if somebody disagrees with or criticises me, or posts something I disagree with because it's hard to hear, they're probably really smart and respectable, and I should listen to them right? But it's just not necessarily the case. Judging by the evidence (ad hominem, bashing), I would imagine your critics are not worth listening to.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm so sorry to hear that this happened to you.
*hugs*

[(Anonymous)]

I know who you are.

Grow up, build a bridge, and get over it. You got mocked because you're a pretentious fuckwit who is not as brilliant as you fancy yourself and you personalize reception to an alarmingly narcissistic degree. A few threads picking apart unappealing aspects of your story do not make talking about you behind your back or jealousy of your assumption on your supposed brilliance.