[ SECRET POST #1840 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1840 ⌋


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Comments

[fscom.livejournal.com]

21. http://i40.tinypic.com/2j14rjc.jpg

[writerserenyty.livejournal.com]

Two ideas:
a. There's a big cultural thing where guys try to avoid seeming less than the picture of masculinity, and this would stop that.
b. Shipping tends to be a more female-centric thing; possibly because of these societal influences, but it's the case.

[santagrover.livejournal.com]

uhh i think it has something to with that straight guys like lesbians, straight girls like gay men thing

[lit-wolf.livejournal.com]

What is that image from? I am really super curious to know!

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, it's kind of depressing.

Especially when some straight male fans will go so far as to deny the existence of a male homosexual character if he's a fan favorite. And I mean one that the creators have outright stated he's gay. Even with male characters that haven't been officially outed yet, but still show signs where a fan would have legitimate skepticism over their sexuality. Unless they fit the checklist of gay stereotypes, they're pretty much DENIED DENIED DENIED to be gay or bisexual.

[vethica.livejournal.com]

Society.

[birdboy2000.livejournal.com]

Commenting for Chie/Yukiko love. SO ADORABLE.

[(Anonymous)]

How many straight men do you know in shipping fandom, full stop? It's almost entirely a girl thing. I've met a few gay men and a few trans men, but no cis straight men in romantic shipping circles. My husband cares about some pairings on TV and sees homoeroticism in, for example, Holmes and Watson, but I'm pretty sure his interest begins and ends with the actual canon and he's not writing or reading fanfic in his free time. For slash, het, or femslash.

[(Anonymous)]

Lots of reasons. Macho bullshit, no interest in shipping in general..etc. Like my friend for example, while he does enjoy pairings he doesn't really go deeper than that.

[(Anonymous)]

lol it's so weird that you picked this fandom. my heterosexual gamer brother actually stopped playing this game for a few days because he said "i think yosuke is in love with me and it's making me uncomfortable."

[(Anonymous)]

I think it could be that both majority of yaoi and yuri are aimed at female audiences. Not that gender should affect anyone's reading preferences, but having things advertised at specifically not-you does create an additional threshold.

And as others have said, social pressures and the fact that shipping seems to be more popular with females.

[countess-k.livejournal.com]

There's the social stigma that if you're a straight guy you must avoid anything that has to do with "the gay" or else your masculinity will be questioned. Women don't have that issue so they have more freedom to explore.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, I wonder the same things.
Most of my straight friends (girls) have told me a few number of times some of their first sexual fantasies involved lesbianism. They're not even bi-sexual, but still some of them definitely get excited when watching lesbian porn.
I haven't met a single straight guy who's admitted they've had homoerotic fantasies about men, but I'm a bit skeptical about how truthful they're being. I mean, what with the fact that in general men think about sex three (or was it more?) times more than women. (Not saying this applies to everyone.)

It (yaoi/yuri) just makes you feel good; I don't see how that makes you gay/lesbian by default. It just means you're enjoying yourself and the prospect of sexual fantasy fulfillment. Because that's just what they are; fantasies.

[(Anonymous)]

A few things

1. A lot of cultures tend to frown on guys liking stuff like that, but are no where near as harsh with girls about it.

2. There are plenty of fandoms where male fans, in general, are pretty rare. So it's going to be harder to find a guy in general, regardless of what they ship.

3. While your friends might ship yuri, Yuri is, by and far, pretty hard to find a large number of shippers for. Maybe not as hard as het, I'll grant you, but it's far from easy in the majority of fandoms, so I'm not sure how good an example 'straight girls ship yuri' is really that good an example, simply because it *isn't* that common to find.

[ariseishirou.livejournal.com]

Eh, I think to some extent it has to do with sexuality, compounded by how female characters are treated by the media.

The few fandoms I've found that had lots of men in them who were shipping and writing fic all had lots of female characters, who were strongly characterized and had lots of interaction. Definite Bechdel passers, like Sailor Moon, Marimite, and MLP:FiM. Also things like Mass Effect, where the female protagonist is appealing to a lot of dudes because her voice actor puts on a superb performance, but they don't want to have to romance a man. So they choose to have her romance one of the female crew members, and the men I know who enjoy the game get really, really heavily invested in the the relationship.

Whereas the canons of most media period are very male-dominated, and tend to either have a single token female, or a couple of them who never seem to interact much unless it's about the dudes. Not very much shipping material there. If anything, this is a similarity between men and women rather than a difference, because I wouldn't be very interested in shipping the few token men in Marimite or BSSM, either. Unfortunately, such canons are rare. I've seen some guys ship a series by gender-swapping the entire cast, so that the characters who get interaction and screen time are all female.

[(Anonymous)]

A lot of yaoi is poorly written. Also a majority of it is written by women for women. *shrug* Most guys I know would look at a yaoi manga and cringe or laugh at how unrealistic the guys in it are.

[(Anonymous)]

..I just..Can't see guys giggling about their ships and fighting about it. Idk it probably happens but it's a rarity.

[(Anonymous)]

Yes, it does depend on the fandom. I'm an X-Men fan, most comic book fans, X-Men fans included, are guys. When you go to look for fan art or fics, you'll find most slash couples are written and drawn by females, and most femmslash, by males. But, if you ask around, there are same-sex couples most male fans are pretty sure are canon, even if not specifically said so in canon. Professor X/Magneto, for example. And most are pretty sure Wolverine is bi.

Of course, it might just be because X-Men is very LGTBQA oriented, but it just emphasizes my point. It depends on the fandom.

[mutantjules.livejournal.com]

I have straight dudely friends who ship some m/m pairings. They don't GET INTO the fandom and read fic for it, but they can feel the love between the characters and I've had some pretty awesome discussions with em about some of them (X-Men First Class kicked off like a whole summer of this. Both BBC Sherlock and Guy Ritchie's Holmes movies did too.)

[twyla-hime.livejournal.com]

Actually, I've started to notice male fans becoming more open to certain yaoi pairings. They will at least acknowledge any subtext now instead of deny it. Some may even be amused by it and like the basic idea. With the popularity of yaoi in fandoms, I think this may just be an effect of that. Like they are finally "getting used to it", in a way. But the difference is they don't get passionately invested in it. It tends to be a rather shallow interest. So they are far from shippers.

Others may secretly enjoy shota, or prefer one member of a yaoi couple to be a "trap." So in these cases it is very much accepted on their own terms (that don't threaten their own precious masculinity).

[(Anonymous)]

THEY'RE ALMOST ALL BRITISH AMERICANS. ONLY SUZAKU AND KALLEN ARE JAPANESE.

[mondaisenshi.livejournal.com]

Aside from what a lot of others have said here, yaoi is written FOR women, to appeal TO women. Bara (someone correct me if I get something wrong, here) is written for men. I don't think I've yet to find a translated bara manga locally, but if I understand correctly, I think they avoid a lot of the tropes yaoi is notorious for. I believe they're less romanticized and more... I'm not sure gritty is the word... They tend to feature more [commonly] realistic men, not pretty femboy bishounen.

So. TL:DR; Target audience, yaoi found its.

(I have a handful of guy friends that own up to sometimes enjoying yaoi. I have one girl friend I can think of that's ever mentioned reading yuri. SHE is gay.)

[lilweirdomokyn.livejournal.com]

I'm a lesbian-leaning bisexual, so I'm definitely not in the "straight girl who ships yuri" category. Mostly I'm here because I think Chie and Yukiko are the most adorable little duo, either as friends or a couple (Once the co-dependecy issues are sorted out, anyway). I've only read one M-rated fic for them, though, since it was from an author I actually liked (Yeah, I'm needlessly picky about my porn, I don't care.)

[(Anonymous)]

Straight male here.

The reason I don't "ship" any gay pairings is this: there aren't really any positive examples of them in the canons I enjoy, and the popular slash pairings in these canons are completely and utterly Out Of Character with one exception (and the one character I don't even like because he's a creepy dick, and I think his partner could find a much better man).

I'm willing to bet that every single person who says that it's some sort of "macho" thing is a girl, too. It's not about "macho," at least not with me. I just have a hard time bending a character's sexuality, and actual, honest to goodness gay men are hard to find in many canons. There are obviously some exceptions, yes, but the majority of yaoi ships I find in any particular canon I enjoy tend to involve one or two characters who canonically have a preference for women. I don't enjoy that, just like I don't enjoy the thought of doing the same thing to female characters. It's one thing if they actually are gay or lesbian; if I like the dynamics of their canon relationship, then yeah, I can see myself shipping it.

But the people who said that straight men don't really participate in shipping have the right idea. Most of the straight guys I know in fandom don't particularly care one way or another about the romantic relationships between characters in our fandoms, instead having affinities for individual characters.

[(Anonymous)]

As a straight man in the Hetalia fandom, and a roleplayer, I generally believe it's lack of interest.

I just find stuff aimed around pairings and shit to be boring? It's more of a girl thing.

As far a yaoi goes the way these 'men' are fucking portrayed is a great insult to people, in general.

The so called 'ukes' just act like weirdo chicks with dicks.

There's really no appeal, tbh.