[ SECRET POST #1991 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1991 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Comments

[fscom]

20. [TRIGGER WARNING for rape]
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[deadtree]

I didn't interpret them that way either, probably because my mind was in PG-13 mode and that's not a very pg-13 sentiment.
I mean I guess "mewling quim" isn't really pg-13 either but whatever, I don't think the movies are dark enough for that to have been his intent (or the writers' intent).

[(Anonymous)]

That interpretation is out-of-character for Loki for pretty much the same reason his calling Natasha a cunt was out-of-character. Loki literally considers humans equivalent to insects, he may talk about ruling them as a vague hivemind but his hatred is unconditional, has no differing "degrees" because it's toward a species he sees as a brainless colony, and is based entirely on his superiority over them. Raping a human would be self-degradation in its purest form to someone who prides themselves on being above people in every way.

Also why is this even a thing. Seriously, people thought he was threatening to mind-control a dude to rape a woman? Loki? Sigghhhh

[sparklywalls]

For some reason I don't feel Loki would be interested in using sexual violence. This version anyway, I'm not really familiar with the comics. Maybe it's because the MCU films are aimed at a family audience and that's blocking the part of my brain willing to accept if he'd be capable of that.

[b_dangerous]

Considering they focused on the whole "MASTER ASSASSIN" angle in almost every single scene of Clint and Natasha's in the movie-- I really can't see it as forcing him to rape her.

[writerserenyty]

I honestly don't think that was his intent either, and I'm hardly a Loki apologist. It just felt like the way that Loki speaks...

That, and associating Loki with sexual violence feels weird to me. Maybe it's just because my sister and I spent a good five minutes discussing which pudding cups at the grocery store were Loki and which were Thor....

[dazzledfirestar]

I didn't interpret the line in Thor that way, but the one in Avengers struck me as that kind of threat and as a sign of how far he'd gone from where he was at the end of Thor. I don't think it's so much to do with what LOKI wants to see done to someone/do to someone but more an exertion of power (which rape is obviously) and if that's what they fear, so be it.

And to have someone's friend/lover/whatever do it... well, that's just the level of twisted I think he's capable of. [shrugs]

[kelincihutan]

I go back and forth, even while listening to him say it. Because if Clint and Natasha are in love with each other, mind-controlled rape would be a horrible, disgusting parody of that. But if they aren't, then sexual torture doesn't seem like something that would enter into things. Which could be precisely the reason Loki would go for that. Unless he felt like it would be more interesting to torture her without sex. Assuming, of course, that he actually meant to carry through on any of his threats in that scene at all.

It's the ambiguity of the threat that made me notice it as much as I did. He could be threatening rape, or cannibalism while she's still alive, or pulling out all her nails and then cutting off her fingers and toes joint by joint, or all of it, or none of it. And I've never felt like we know this character well enough to judge what kind of lines he does or doesn't like to cross, or if there even are any.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't think he'd be particularly interested in rape for his physical pleasure, but as a tool of manipulation? Hell yes. Especially forcing someone's closest friend to do it to them, thus traumatizing not one, but two people in one go. He gets his sadistic fix out of psychological torture, which is frequently brought about through the physical, but not vice versa.

The part with Jane, though, seemed a lot more about FINE GO AHEAD AND PLAY WITH STUPID MORTALS, I'LL BREAK ALL YOUR TOYS ANYWAY

[(Anonymous)]

I thought that the implication of rape was there in Thor, mainly because Loki was trying to get Thor to fight him and that was the one thing he could say that he knew would absolutely push Thor's buttons (Loki: Not Above Cheap Shots).

As for Avengers, I personally didn't get that feel from the line, but I could see how others would interpret the line that way.

As for whether or not Loki would rape someone, I'd say in Thor probably not, but in Avengers? Most definitely.

[(Anonymous)]

I assumed death, too, and then I later realized he could mean rape. And yeah, fandom shouldn't freak out because we interpret a line differently. A painful death is pretty horrible, too. And I also believe Loki is capable of rape.

[(Anonymous)]

Me, either. I find it astonishingly unlikely for the rating. It says a lot to me about where people's psyches are. Would they have thought he was threatening rape if he'd said it to a guy instead of Jane and Black Widow? I doubt it.

[intrigueing.livejournal.com]

I thought he was threatening to do it, but not because he actually planned on doing it or really liked the idea of doing it. I thought he was simply insinuating rape in order to try and frighten Natasha and mess with her head, and that he was threatening to rape Jane just to infuriate Thor as much as possible. I don't think he would've done it if he had the opportunity -- not because he has morals or anything, but because I don't think it's the kind of thing he'd get a kick out of, because he doesn't really give a shit about humans. He seems to see conquering them as pretty much as a device to get one over on Asgard so he can feel good about himself, and killing them as a way to hurt Thor.

[mudousetsuna]

Wow, people interpreted it that way? Hadn't crossed my mind at all. I kinda like the badguy getting the good guys to fight each other thing better anyway. For me, things don't have to be sexual to be terrifying or evil or bad in a good villainy sort of way.

I agree though, he's probably capable of it if it was a means to an ends. I think he's got plenty of other ways to get to people too, though.

[(Anonymous)]

I can see how those lines could be interpreted to imply rape, though I feel like if rape is the implication, then Loki was saying it more as an intimidation tactic than an actual threat. Rape seems too... I don't know what the best word is. Barbaric? Brutish? Aggressive? Loki's schtick is manipulation, subtlety, and finesse, even when taking cheap shots.

[(Anonymous)]

i didn't even catch this. the audience i saw the movie with was so terrible i feel like i missed half of the movie. i should probably see it again.

[velvet_mace]

I didn't get any sense that rape was even a twinkling of a thought on the table. These are superheroes at their most iconicly Kid-friendly, bruise free, superhero-best. No one in canon is going to go to that strictly adult place.

That's what fandom is for.

[(Anonymous)]

To be honest, I think Loki threatening Natasha with rape would be kind of cheap and shitty on the part of the writers. We know that Natasha fears the possibility that she can't make up for the things she's done. We know that she performs a job that involves evading death daily with near-superhuman strength, wit and reflexes. There are many subconscious fears there, both physical and mental, that a god who specializes in manipulation and trickery could exploit -- and even if there weren't, he's spent a chunk of the movie engaged in terrible alternatives like wantonly murdering people by the dozens.

Why just pull out, for the only woman on the team, the fear or threat you think she should be confronted with because she's a woman, that isn't even that appropriate for the person saying it nor a primary concern of the woman herself? Right after sneaking in an equally out-of-place gendered insult, and then chortling about how you slyly introduced people to yet another gross thing to call women? I mean, I know that she's all strong and whatnot and we can see it in how Loki's threats don't really faze her (working under the assumption that that's even what is being implied), but can we not even get through a 2 hour superhero movie without having the only female team member be used to remind us that women are constantly called disgusting things and sexually brutalized, as a shortcut to Strong Female Character*?

:(

*i am not saying natasha was not a strong female character

[(Anonymous)]

I didn't took it that way because, er, simply put, Loki said 'all the ways that you fear' and I just don't see Natasha being afraid of that. She's quite possibly already experienced sexual assault, certainly has likely used her body in the course of assignments, and admits herself she's dealt with brainwashing. Generally, people fear what they don't know. Something tells me she knows rape, possibly, a whole lot worse than that.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't remember him threatening to rape Natalie Portman, but it seemed fairly obvious to me he was threatening to have Clint do it to what's-her-face the red head.

[avocado_love]

When did he do that in Thor?

I do remember my eyebrows raising behind my 3D glasses in Avengers when he said that line. It seemed obvious that was the angle he was going for.

Then again, I'm not a Loki fangirl and I would totally believe it of him. *shrugs*

[mekkio]

To me Loki threatening to rape a Jane or Natasha is the equivalent of you threatening to rape an ant.

The thought would never cross his mind just like raping an ant would never cross yours. What would cross instead would be him destroying them or you stepping on that annoying, little ant.

[iggy]

I don't actually remember the comment to Jane, but I never took the comment toward Tasha to be threatening rape- more just painful and horrible destruction. And I'm no Loki fangirl at all.

[hornpile]

I totally didn't interpret that part in the avengers as being about rape at all. The thought never crossed my mind! It just seemed to suggest a rather brutal murder. And to me, the line in Thor about Jane seemed to just be Loki goading Thor in to attacking him, since he was all "I WILL NOT FIGHT YOU BROTHER", and making that threat got him riled up pretty quickly. I don't think he really had plans to do anything to her of any sort.

[badass_tiger]

He-he was threatening to rape Jane?! A-and I just wrote a fic where he did visit her and it turned a different direction ... good grief, I must be a little less perverted than I thought I am. Learn something new every day I guess.