[ SECRET POST #2275 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2275 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Comments

op

[(Anonymous)]

Just because I've seen it a lot on the comments, I just wanna note that I didn't intend to bash Sterek. I don't really care about that, a lot of people do only focus on it, But I don't hate Sterek.

I don't hate the ship itself, nor do I hate the fic, etc that it generates. What I meant is that it's just ridiculous, that for all these people claiming they like this show so much, you don't actually see many(on LJ it's a lot more than other places) people that actually... comprehend the story line or give two shits about any other characters. And it's not even a difficult story line!
I guess I am just used to fandoms that, even though there are tons of shippers for a Big Ship, they still actually care about the canon and the other characters. The concept of being involved in a fandom where you've never even exposed yourself to the source material is just so foreign to me. And that it is such a HUGE portion of the fandom that is this way.

Re: op

[forgottenjester]

Aw, I didn't think you were bashing Sterek. Sorry if I came across that way.

Though I will say, there are quite a number of people in the fandom who do not actually watch the show. So... that could account for some of what you're seeing.

I've seen similar people in Sherlock and Doctor Who fandom.

I have to wonder if this is a sudden trend or if this kind of thing has always existed.

Re: op

[(Anonymous)]

Apparently its a lot of migratory slash fandom members/readers. Plus people who wanna be involved in the next big thing.

Which actually doesn't make sense to me because just following slash ships around is weird to me, but each to their own i suppose.

Re: op

[forgottenjester]

Huh... weird. I did not know that. I guess I have the same feelings as you. I don't understand it but if it makes them happy, okay.

Re: op

[(Anonymous)]

It certainly looks like some people from the SPN fandom have migrated over and latched onto a new ship after deciding that this would have more of a chance than Destiel or Wincest.

Re: op

[(Anonymous)]

imo it has less chance than Destiel at this point though.

Re: op

[(Anonymous)]

I can definitely attest to this, when I was big into tumblr during the summer i came across so many people whose fandom histories were exactly like this:

Harry/Draco, Dean/Sam, Dean/Cas, Arthur/Eames, Magneto and Picard from First Class, Sherlock/Watson, Tony/whoever, Derek/Stiles.

Probably some arbitrary ones thrown in there but that was always the general gist. And these people, if they were fic writers? Every single one was AU with a very, very fanon based caricature of the characters in their stories.

Re: op

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt

I know i should just shut up and say let people ship what people want to ship, but these are the people that make it easy for people to say slash is fetishization of homosexual couples.

Re: op

[cloud_riven]

Magneto and Picard

Picard. I am laughing way too hard at this even though I understand what you mean.

Re: op

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt

Yes, I wonder that myself. I mean, I really can't imagine there being a large amount say... in the HP fandom? It seems like the main part people enjoyed was reading the books. Then again, I joined fandom in 2009 so I probably missed all the truly crazy of that one.

It seems so incredibly common on tumblr, anyway. I wonder if it's just so prevalent there because it's so image based? Nothing wrong with image based fandom, but it might also be encouraging a uncaring attitude toward thinking things out, other than rambly, one-sided inaccurate meta.

Re: op

[forgottenjester]

I don't even know. Harry Potter fandom was so huge and I heard so much wank about it I stayed away. So I wouldn't know.

Yeah, I noticed the tumblr connection too but I didn't want to say anything because I didn't want to make it seem like I'm bashing tumblr. I know that I've seen this popular post on my dash a few times that said something like, "You know when you see so much of some ship on your dash that you start shipping them too even though you're not in the fandom?" So apparently it is a thing.

Re: op

[(Anonymous)]

but... sherlock only has 6 episodes!! If you want to be in the fandom, why don't you just watch them??

"Migratory slash fans" have existed for as long as I've been around. People dispute the label, but there's no denying that for some people the community>>canon. The tumblr user who got me into Teen Wolf definitely doesn't give any fucks about canon.

Re: op

[forgottenjester]

I dunno, man. I really don't. Either they can't or they don't want to. I dunno. I just know I've seen them.

Huh, really? How long have you been around?

Re: op

[(Anonymous)]

As a lurker around slash fandom, around 10 years (So, people getting into Smallville for the gay would be my first example).
I would be really curious if it predated LJ enabling a more interconnected fannish community. I can't see someone participating in a Yahoo Group for a show they have no real interest in, but maybe I'm just naive.

Re: op

[(Anonymous)]

yeah i pretty much agree with you there. I don't really think you are supporting a ship when you haven't even seen the canon.

There ARE reasons to ship sterek, but the sterek i see in so many ships aren't even those characters anymore. I know with fic/shipping you have to set aside reality but anyone who thinks Derek is ever going to touch someone who is underage is laughable. Its never going to happen in canon anytime soon, and if it did that'd be really untrue to the characterization.

But yeah not watching canon and yet reading/writing fic is bizarre to me. I don't get it at all, and i love the show & read sterek sooo

Re: op

[nan]

Well he did get a little bad touchy with Erica but that changed after she became a werewolf, hahaha.

Re: op

[forgottenjester]

That and the scene was creepy as fuck. At least to me it was. I couldn't watch it all in one go.

Actually, now I'm kind of curious. How did you, and anyone else who wants to answer me, interpret that scene? (It's completely fine if you didn't think it was creepy. I just want to know.)

Re: op

[nan]

No, yeah, I thought it was creepy and manipulative as fuck and I watched it through my fingers going, "No Derek stop what are you doing aaahhh."

It really made me uncomfortable. That was the moment when I decided Derek really isn't that good a guy, hahaha.

Re: op

[(Anonymous)]

Oh man that scene was SO CREEPY. And I know that they are just doing it because "Ooh hot Derek needs to make out with SOMEONE, here is an available female." without any real regard for how it would appear coming from someone who is an adult, and a previous victim of statutory rape?

And then the whole "never do that again!" But wait! Let me make out with you first before I shove you off, BUT NEVER DO IT AGAIN!

Re: op

[(Anonymous)]

I thought it was sad for both of them. Mostly for Erica, but also a little for derek too. Derek being the adult should have shut it down faster though.

Plus the whole i have someone else in mind? gross. You can't just dictate who your beta's make out with what a jerk.

But i think the writers more saw it as hey here are two hot people kissing for flimsy reasons....yay, rather than here is two people with serious issues making out and its kinda bad but we'll just ignore that.

Re: op

[(Anonymous)]

I thought it was really skeevy just because we weren't shown anything like that with Isaac and Boyd. Or Jackson for that matter. But I chalked it off as the usual "make it all about the sexs when it comes to women", like the time Lydia just had to wander in the woods without any clothes on.

Re: op

[atgdng]

That scene was creepy as fuck, I think especially because, and I might be wrong, but didn't they promote it as Derek getting a ~sexy~ scene. I like the show, but sometimes I feel like it misses its own point.

Re: op

[cloud_riven]

I thought it was intentionally predatory. The body language Derek was giving off was ott sexual and CREEEEEEPY but in the dub-con sort of way I see in fanfic and other stories about young women wanting to be dominated by a stronger guy. If I ever got the inkling that I was supposed to think that scene was okay, positive, acceptable behaviour, I'd have probably dropped the show tbh.

Re: op

[cloud_riven]

Sorry if I misinterpreted o/

I've been in fandoms where a lot of folk don't care so much for the source material as they do for the fanworks (eg: Hetalia, TF2, Evangelion), so I guess I wasn't too surprised that a lot of fans view the show through a specific filter, or seem to remember the show in a completely different light than what was actually presented. I do agree though that is very prevalent in this one.

Sometimes it makes being a fan of certain characters, ideas, or even the Big Ship with a different dynamic than fanon, a bit uncomfortable. Mostly confusing. And lonely depending on who you're surrounded by atm too.