[ SECRET POST #3308 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3308 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Comments

[fscom]

02. http://i.imgur.com/4rJikzy.jpg

[(Anonymous)]

lol Guess female characters shouldn't have flaws then

- A woman author who loves writing selfish brats that grow out of it

[(Anonymous)]

Well, I can kind of see their point, because I wrote a character like this. She was supposed to be feisty and a little mean but grow out of it; reading it years later, I realized she was just annoying and became a little less so. Her overreactions to everything created so many contrived situations. That's not fun, and I think that's what OP might be getting at.

You can have a character have flaws and not be annoying to read/watch. That's what a lot of writers don't get.

[(Anonymous)]

Yes, OP being annoyed about a single, particular character trait means they're asserting that no female characters should have flaws, ever.

Why is internet discussion so brainlessly asinine?

[(Anonymous)]

It's true. OP was specifically targeting you, the great Woman Author, and wants you to abolish all flaws in female characters. But thank god you'll carry on fighting the good fight, and especially keep milking a boring cliche that has roots in and often engages openly with misogynist stereotypes and tropes. We praise you, Woman Author!

[(Anonymous)]

Quoted from the secret: "It's not that I believe no female character should ever be portrayed negatively..."

Reading comprehension fail. I hope you're a lot more thoughtful about writing and characterization.

[(Anonymous)]

Men have flaws that emphasise their manhood, women have flaws that emphasise their childishness. This is not ok.

[ketita]

There are plenty of flaws you can give a female character that are not "bratty".

[(Anonymous)]

You know, there's a happy medium between female characters who are unlikeable brats and Mary Sues without any flaws. The fact that you don't seem to see that doesn't bode well for the quality of your heroines. I wouldn't be at all surprised if you write the sort of "strong" heroines are actually just irritating gender stereotypes.

[(Anonymous)]

All I can think is I wish those sausages were a bit more browner.

[(Anonymous)]

I just really hope that this image came from a google search for "brat"

[(Anonymous)]

I think it depends on how the story treats her. There's a difference between a character written to be a spoiled brat and a character written to be meant as sympathetic but a spoiled brat. I find it very easy to tell the difference because I've seen enough well written brats and badly written heroine brats.

Also it's laughable that whenever a male creates a bratty female character it's because of misogyny. If they're the only female character or they're written so that all the other women who act "properly" submissive get rewarded. yeah that's sexist. But just writing a bratty female character? Not sexist.

Forgive me for saying, but you sound young and like you haven't read much or only read a lot of one thing (badly written stuff).

[(Anonymous)]

Are we talking fanfic? Because in fanfic annoying childish brat is the default for young girls for the same reason overly macho and amazingly "badass" is the default for young males. That is what the fanfic authors have as their idealized self, that is what they have purveyed to them in mass media as the ideal for the gender, and that is what they generally get praised for writing by their peers (because you are not allowed to tell people when they are writing crap anymore). Thankfully it is what they eventually grow out of writing. If we are talking pro-publication, then they write what sells so it becomes a self perpetuating cycle.

[solticisekf]

Like Yuffie in ffVII.
Eh, there's a few annoying stereotypes flying around. For me it's a plump be-sweatered fangirl, a surly ex army guy and an angelic kid. Boring.

[(Anonymous)]

Does the narrative treat the brat like a brat? Then there's nothing wrong with the writing. Does the narrative treat the brat like she's a faultless angel, never takinging her to task for her transgressions? That is bad writing and should be critiqued.

[ariakas]

Depends. If that character just happens to be a brat, and everyone responds to her like she's a brat, whatever, that's just a character.

But if all of the female characters are brats, or everyone else either ignores her or just goes "lol that's how girls are - selfish and bratty" then yes, it's the author being a sexist dickhat.

[(Anonymous)]

Reminds me of a pair of OCs I wrote as a teenager. They were supposed to have a ~complicated, torrid adult relationship~ but in practice they were just really childish and sucked at communicating, lol. I feel like there are a lot of traits like that, where an inexperienced writer will be trying to convey that someone is Flawed or Feisty or Emotionally Complex and it just comes across as a lot of selfish whining and makes the character unlikeable.

[(Anonymous)]

sorry you can't empathize with flawed characters

I know you said that's not what you're doing, but I'll be damned if I can see another way of interpreting it.

[(Anonymous)]

This reminds me of my problem with Brave, while I like female characters who have room to grow, I can tell they had real trouble making Merida likable and since the plot was a mess she didn't have a great growth period in the movie.

I still largely blame this on the fact that the film was taken from it's original director though.

[(Anonymous)]

I really like the picture of Wuerstchen, Sauerkraut and Senf you have chosen. Though I don't see how a meal like this connects to the type of female character you describe. Maybe because they would brattily decline it instead of eating it?

OT but...

[(Anonymous)]

Now I want a grilled brat so bad, and I'm trying to think of food-related secrets.

[(Anonymous)]

I read a lot of mystery novels over the years, and this is one of the writing flaws I see over and over-- in an effort to write "spunky, feisty" heroines, the (usually female) authors create bratty monsters that make me sort of root for the murderer. (If I never read another heroine complaining that the handsome cop is "sexist" for suggesting she leave investigating murders to the professionals, I will be very happy.)

I mean, in the case of the murder mysteries, I KNOW the heroine is going to be the one to solve the crime. That's the point of an amateur-sleuth book. But if the heroine is bratty and stupid, I'm just going to take the book back to the library and look for something else.

[rbhudson]

I just want to thank you for the picture choice. Had to think about it for a sec, giggled.

[caerbannog]

I really, really, really want to eat those sausages. Where's the bread though?!

[(Anonymous)]

i call it.... mary sue lover.

yey....