[ SECRET POST #3516 ]

[case]

⌈ Secret Post #3516 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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The entire rest of this post is either spoilers or have content warnings.





02. [SPOILERS for Over the Hills and Far Away]



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03. [SPOILERS for Pokemon Sun and Moon]



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04. [SPOILERS for Inside]



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05. [SPOILERS for The Girl With All The Gifts]



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06. [SPOILERS for Steven Universe]
[WARNING for suicide]



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07. [WARNING for non-con]



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08. [WARNING for incest]




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09. [WARNING for suicide]












Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 00 pages, 00 secrets from Secret Submission Post #502.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[fscom]

07. [WARNING for non-con]
http://i.imgur.com/DksGmM3.png

[kallanda_lee]

I will tag it just to be sure. HTP DOES have h/c elements, just that there's a lot of fucked-upness preceding it. And I'll tag anything that originated on the meme that way anyway.

So yea, sorry you're having a hard time, but it really is a fine line, and personally I'd rather be safe than sorry.

[(Anonymous)]

not op but you're a really excellent mod!

[(Anonymous)]

how to do you determine if it's hydra trash party or not? I've written kinky non-con with hydra as the perpetrators but it has nothing to do with the meme and I don't particularly like the tag anyway since it sounds too goofy

[(Anonymous)]

HTP isn't into hurt/comfort. The whole thing is about glorifying the rape and making it something to get off to.

[(Anonymous)]

(Warning, this comment gets a little bit graphic in describing rape at two points. Just a quick friendly note, I don't want to upset anybody.)

Eh OP I know you're going to get a bunch of comments about "OMG u judge me how dare u!?", so I'll just raise my hand and say I agree. I don't know much about Hydra Trash Party in particular, but fandom in general has a really big schlick fest when it comes to romanticizing and eroticizing rape and non-con, and it really, really puts me off.

Seeing the character I like busted up and bleeding, their asshole ripped from forced sex and their mind basically broken and defeated is not in any way "hot" to me and it's so, so far from my own experience as someone who suffered sexual abuse that I just...eughhgh. Ultimately I'm not "judging" in that I don't think any of this should be illegal or that anyone should have their right to read it or write it taken away, but I can freely say I absolutely cannot be friends with people in fandom who find this sort of thing sexy. It grosses me out, full stop. And the people who like it kind of inevitably gross me out too. Reading tumblrs about how X character is so hot when he's been "raped bareback and full of stranger's cum and streaks of his own blood" is a pretty sure way to have me running for the /r/Eyebleach subreddit. Getting off to sexual non-con violent rape just feels like a whole different realm to me.

[(Anonymous)]

I agree with all of this. And I don't believe anyone who goes, "Well, some people write it to deal with their own rapes!" If someone is using that kind of stuff to deal with their own trauma, they may need to see a psychiatrist.

[(Anonymous)]

I feel like there are 2 basic scenarios here

1) perhaps because it's so personal to you, you're literally incapable of imagining someone who has a healthy distinction between what they find hot and what they find good, and blame other people for your own inability to compartmentalize

and/or

2) you are making good faith efforts not to see shit you don't like, and the people who like HTP *AND* ignore your boundaries in ways that result in you knowing they like it anyway tend to creep you out, because ignoring boundaries is an inherently creep behavior

but there are people who like HTP stuff and respect your boundaries and don't bring it up around you. they don't creep you out bc they're not creepy, but you don't realize they're into the thing, so you don't know non-creepy people sometimes like it

also I'm pretty sure everyone who considers themselves HTP likes some things and not others - all the things you listed squick me out, but there's other things under the HTP umbrella that I do like

[tabaqui]

I 100 percent agree. I'm okay with some non-con or dub-con to a degree, but the 'trash party' stuff is just not my cuppa, at all. And yes, I very much dislike the gleeful, detailed yuck of it all (having no clue what it was, i have read/skimmed a fic or two, until i figured it out).

[(Anonymous)]

I agree, sort of? I don't care for non-con in general but usually I can just ignore it and not let it bother me. Hydra Trash Party pisses me off though, for the same reason as Star Wars fans creaming themselves over the the First Order. I am so fucking sick of fandom romanticizing and sexualizing fascism and Nazis. It's disgusting.

(In b4 whiny kinksters bawwwww'ing about "kink-shaming" lol.)

[(Anonymous)]

Huh. I never realized how often bad guys that fandom latch on to have the whole Nazi motif going on. Making a SECRET!

[(Anonymous)]

Omg thank you for saying this. I've been noticing this for years but everytime I bring it up, I always get bombed with, "You're a kinkshaming sjw!!!" type of messages.

ITT: literally no one knows what 'romanticization' means

[(Anonymous)]

the whole point of HTP is that it explicitly acknowledges that everything contained therein is wrong/unhealthy/terrible and people who want to read and write in anyway get to do so without pretending otherwise?

that said failure-to-tag is not cool, people who want to avoid it 1000% should have the tools to do so

Re: ITT: literally no one knows what 'romanticization' means

[(Anonymous)]

They're fapping to Nazis. They're turning genocidal fuckwads into something ~sexy~ because they get off on human misery.

Re: ITT: literally no one knows what 'romanticization' means

[(Anonymous)]

I mean

I'm not drawing any claims about HTP one way or the other, but just saying "I'm totally aware of the problematic aspects, and not romanticizing them" doesn't actually mean that you're aware of them or not romanticizing them.

It's kind of like how if I say that I'm not racist, that's not in itself proof that I'm not racist. You know?

[(Anonymous)]

I don't feel qualified to debate the morality, but the logistics of HTP just annoy the fuck out of me.

Why the hell would Hydra waste its most valuable assent on weird BDSM sex? Why would they risk damaging the soldier with that kind of physical and sexual abuse? Why is everyone in Hydra hardcore into kink and Eyes-Wide-Shut style sex parties?

And for the love of god why is hardcore BDSM imagery/kinks ALWAYS associated with evil and noncon? Where's my CONSENSUAL knife and bloodplay goddamit?

[feotakahari]

I've written consensual bloodplay . . .

(Both stories that had it also contained rape, but the rapists were different characters than the ones who led consensual bloodplay. I'm not sure if I should link--I wrote it years ago, so it might suck.)

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, I don't like HTP because it is unrealistic. There is no reason why they would harm a weapon like that. Not only would it serve no purpose, it may actually harm the Winter Soldier and prevent him from doing his job.

It doesn't seem like they ever did anything personal with him. He was either frozen or on a job. Also, he isn't the wilting flower that people make him out to be. He is obviously used to leading a squad and I highly doubt the upper management would undermine his authority by gangbanging him.

[(Anonymous)]

Yooo~

I have no stake in the HTP debate, but I 100% agree raunchy kinky bloodplay bdsm doesn't need the noncon vibe. Tbh, I'm pretty tired of all the straight up rape fics in fandom right now. I'm not saying I need my otp to be safe, I'm not saying they need to be sane, I'm just saying I'd them to be a bit more consensual.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm not into HTP (not really a non-con fan in general) and I too think that it's highly impropable the Winter Soldier was sexually abused in canon... but... we're talking about fanfictions in a SUPERHEROES world. How does realism even work here?

Also, the Winter Soldier has the super soldier serum, he could heal pretty fast from that kind of torture, I think. They could've used the rape/torture to annihilate his persona or idek "training" him in case he was captured (sexual abuse is used in prisons irl). I mean, there are a lot of scenarios there that could have at least a little bit of sense, especially in the early years of the Winter Soldier project. ...even more sense than a LOT of popular tropes in other fanfictions.
idek, talking about realism in this kind of setting just... doesn't seem right. I don't know if this makes sense though. too tired to care

[tabaqui]

I have often said this. What a total waste of time and resources and if they fuck up their victim so much he/she can't do what they want them to do, they're fucked. So, yeah - really stupid.

[(Anonymous)]

wtf is hydra trash party

[nanslice]

Aaay, OP, I agree with a lot of what you're saying here! I don't mind rape in fiction (and sometimes I like it!) but HTP is a whoooole other ballgame. And it's been my experience (which isn't a lot, admittedly) that HTP isn't too interested in the whole comfort aspect of hurt/comfort (although maybe this is changing, idk). I've tried to suss out by reading summaries which HTP tagged fics will be more in line with what I'll like, but I admit that can be difficult. I find a lot of HTP stuff super upsetting so often times it's not worth the effort.

But ykinmk and all that.

[(Anonymous)]

I can find the psychological side of dealing with rape, slavery and torture, especially in a sensible H/C setting, very gratifying. But straight up torture porn focusing on the outer aspects rather than the internal is tedious and off putting. (The Silence of the Lambs is great, Hostel is right between yawn and puke.)

[(Anonymous)]

That's fine. I silently judge you, for stating YKINMK and then judging people. You do realize that people can have a variety of reasons for wanting to write/read HTP? You do realise that people can write the "sickest", in your opinion, fics and have totally psychologically healthy lives? Some people are interested in the darker areas of human nature. That's why crime shows and documentaries about serial killers are popular. Game of Thrones is known for its rape scenes. OZ, in it's time was critically acclaimed and was known to be the 'male rape' show.

I guess what I'm trying to say that it is incredibly condescending of you to simply put it down to people 'getting off' when IMO, the psychology behind why people want to read/write it is far more complicated than that and doesn't make them "sick".

Even if it is about a rape- kink, you do realise that sexual fantasies about rape are common? (Particularly women fantasizing themselves as the 'victim'. In HTP, I don't know the particular psychology. Maybe it's Bucky being a stand in for the woman as 'victim', maybe the Hydra members are the stand in. I once read an article that said that when a man fantasizes about sex, he is both fantasizing himself as both the woman and man at the same time.)

Also, as much as everyone loves Bucky, he is a fictional character. He isn't real. It's not as though the people reading/writing the fics are going to then go out and find a man and then gang rape him.