[ SECRET POST #3853 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3853 ⌋

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Comments

[fscom]

05. http://i.imgur.com/44QkfeN.png

[(Anonymous)]

Yep. They personify give'm an inch and they complain it's not a mile.

[thewakokid]

Yeah, but who isn't?

[(Anonymous)]

when straight white men have several miles that qualifies as a legitimate complaint tho...

[(Anonymous)]

This thread is going to fucking suck so goddamn much shit

I think the problem with the way you're characterizing this whole thing is that you're looking at it in too black and white a way, where the universe is divided into things that are Good and things that are Bad. And so your model for what 'SJWs' are arguing is that certain kinds of diverse casting are intrinsically Good and certain kinds of non-diverse casting are intrinsically Bad, and so you can talk about 'shifting the goalposts' from casting a woman Doctor being Good to it being Bad.

But I think this is an inaccurate model, both of reality, and of the way that 'SJWs' think about reality. Because of course it's more complex than a situation where everything either is Good or Bad. Casting a woman as Doctor is good in some ways but is not a complete perfect paradisaical uncriticizable decision. Nor would casting a black man or even a WOC be a completely perfect decision, because there aren't perfect decisions. Casting a woman is good in many ways and it's something to be happy about, but it's still embedded in a world that has other problems. And different people are going to react differently and in different ways to things, because they approach it in different ways, and that's mostly okay. And for what it's worth, at least from my personal experience seeing people talk about it, the so-called SJWs have been enormously able to maintain that idea. The perspective I have seen is almost universally that casting a woman is a good thing and people should be happy about it but at the same time it's important to be aware that it's not perfect. That is 100% the attitude that I have seen. And I don't think there's anything problematic about that attitude.

Now I mean if someone wants to come in here bloviating about how actually SJWs are evil and want to destroy Western civilization, fucking whatever, I just don't have time for that kind of delusional nonsense. Believe what you fucking want to believe. I just don't fucking care anymore.

Shit. The fucking goddamn Internet.

[(Anonymous)]

That was a whole lotta words to say, I disagree.

[morieris]

The perspective I have seen is almost universally that casting a woman is a good thing and people should be happy about it but at the same time it's important to be aware that it's not perfect. That is 100% the attitude that I have seen.

Yep. Personally it's fine to be excited, and I don't begrudge anyone, but all these "THE FUTURE IS FEMALE YASSS" with a bunch of white women images shows just how much we're not close to actual equality. It's a step of progress, nothing more.

But those damn SJWs, right.

[sabotabby]

This comment is good and you should feel good.

[(Anonymous)]

I like variety. In everything.

While it would have been interesting to have a female doctor that was a non-white, autistic, overweight, asexual transwoman amputee, if they'd done that it would have been like, "Well, good for us, we ticked off those 6 boxes, now back to white men!"

I'd rather see variety spread out over the next half-dozen doctors.

[ninety6tears]

*sigh*

Yeah, I can't find any lies here, assuming by 'SJW's you mean the simpletons competing about who's the angriest about everything in the media on tumblr. It's not like nobody's allowed any disappointment that they would prefer the character be something else, but the reactions are predictably irrational.

[nightscale]

So far I've seen people being positive over the idea but pointing out that it's not some slam-dunk win for inclusivity, which isn't wrong.

I mean I figured getting a non-white male actor into the role would have been a neat thing to do but we haven't even managed that yet, and it's hardly as big of a change.

But I am also not in the Who fandom on any level so I'm only seeing the outskirt stuff from people I follow.

[(Anonymous)]

Also I love how the same DW fans that shat all over Moffat are now sucking his dick because he "was involved" in the choice of a female Doctor.

[(Anonymous)]

I kind of felt this way when Agent Carter was coming out, before I saw SO many complaints that Marvel wasn't doing anything female lead, then we finally got a female lead and all the comments were complaining about how she was a white woman.

I was just so confused because I thought we could all be happy that Marvel was finally doing something with a woman? A WOC movie/show would be fantastic of course but I think it's fine to be excited about female leads in general when sexism is a problem just as much as racism is.

[thewakokid]

Your point is broadly taken, but lets be honest, they ain't doxxing everyone. You'd probably be fine saying this anywhere else, unless your user name has your real name in it, then you are asking for trouble.

[(Anonymous)]

*goes to get the popcorn*

[(Anonymous)]

oh please. it's perfectly understandable to say that having a white woman as the lead is a step forward but far from the end of the journey. I guess that makes you a goalpost moving ~SJW~ nowadays.

[(Anonymous)]

Yep, they're like Prince's mama. Never satisfied.

[(Anonymous)]

But the Doctor because a woman is not new. They talked about it when Tom Baker was leaving. And around the time of the 50th anniversary, there was an on-screen regeneration of a white male Time Lord into a black female. Plus we had a hint it was coming when the Master became Missy.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm sorry, OP.

I guess it's that factions aren't as homogenous as they present themselves - a lot of different people who want different things, kinda vaguely hanging together.

In any case, I hope Whitaker is good. (And, seeing as there have been some good shows with WOC leads lately, I hope that continues to happen.)

[(Anonymous)]

Hey, I'm just amazed as fuck the PTB have finally chosen something other than a white male after 12 in a row. I might actually start watching the show now.

[(Anonymous)]

Tbh, OP comes across like a moron.

Who are these 'complaining' SJWs? I'm not seeing anything other than people being happy that we finally have a female doctor for the first time. Anyone who uses the term SJW I pretty much dismiss anyway, as it's pretty much an excuse to rail on anyone who wants any progression in society, even if OP is a 'black woman' as claimed (which I seriously doubt).

[killnotic]

Jodie Whittaker is the safest diversity hire ever. White controlled media shouldn't get too much praise for doing the bare minimum to foster diversity. And Jodie Whittaker is literally that; she's young, lovely (in my opinion), and white. Her being hired is not a big leap forward to a lot of people.

Yet...

Yet, her being chosen to follow Capaldi's Doctor is the only thing easing the transition for me.

[(Anonymous)]

No they just hate women and white people, if 13 were a MOC there'd be pure celebration from "the SJWs"

[(Anonymous)]

I've yet to see a single person say that. Not a one. Is it really that common?

[(Anonymous)]

So, because not every single human who wants diversity in shows is satisfied with this decision, SJW's (who of course exist as a singular hivemind) have moved the goalposts. Obviously. -_-