[ SECRET POST #1174 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1174 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Comments

Re: 147

[(Anonymous)]

You did not just call a Black chick a spade. You fucking did not.

Re: 147

[ojingeo.livejournal.com]

OP isn't talking about the chick being black, ze's talking about the chick being fat.

[(Anonymous)]

>For crying out loud, just call a spade a spade.

Poor choice of words there, OP. Way to add racefail on top of your sizefail.

[(Anonymous)]

ffs it's not like everyone knows what that means. It's an expression.

I just had to look it up so I'd even get what you're all up in arms about

[(Anonymous)]

It's a common expression meaning something else entirely, not racefail.

Re: 147

[(Anonymous)]

you did not just call a woman a 'chick'.

Re: 147

[(Anonymous)]

Right, because a woman using a colloquial term for women is the same thing as somebody using racist language (intentional or otherwise) in a hateful secret.

Re: 147

[(Anonymous)]

If you are going to throw a fit about someone not knowing that a common colloquialism is used as a racist term by some people, you had better be throwing a fit about a commonly known sexist term being thrown around like it's perfectly okay.

Re: 147

[(Anonymous)]

Oh my gosh, will you please look up the statement before jumping to conclusions? The term "call a spade a spade" had NOTHING, I repeat to your empty skull, NOTHING, to do with race. It means, and hey I looked up the exact definition for you: "to speak honestly and directly about a topic, specifically topics that others may avoid speaking about due to their sensitivity or embarrassing nature." So if you are no so enlightened which I should hope you would be, you would know that the OP was referring to the fact that people should not avoid the fact that she is severely overweight. NOT that she is black. If you believed that people were trying to say that she is not black which is what you were pushing to, then you need a reality check.

Re: 147

[(Anonymous)]

Just because it's a colloquialism, doesn't mean that it's not offensive to some women, and harmful to society's view of women in general. Women are commonly referred to in these animal terms, such as "chick", "[sex] kitten", or"bitch", and in using the animal terms, women are reduced to sub-human status, which is naturally far from promoting gender equality. Moreover, the animal terms used towards females are chosen based on the negative aspects, or objectifiable aspects of women's perceived characters or attributes. A chick is weak, a baby, all fluffy and incapable of surviving on its own; a bitch refers to readiness for sex, as if that's all the woman's good for; sex kitten is almost a perfect fusion of the two! Alluring, yet weak and helpless... all indicate a woman's supposed need for a man in some way. On the other hand, if you look at the animal terms for men - which are less abundant in the first place - they refer to positives like strength and sexual prowess; things like "stallion" or "stud".

The double standards are clear, and many women now find them unacceptable, as they divide the genders up into the strong and weak, or the entitled and non-entitled, just as racist language (which wasn't actually being used here in the first place) is unacceptable for dividing races up in the same way. Society as a whole may not feel this way about sexist words yet, but hopefully that day is on its way, and any elitist, divisive language will be considered as bad as any other.

Re: 147

[flipthefrog.livejournal.com]

oh thank God I'm not the only one uncomfortable with that.

Re: 147

[atalantapendrag.livejournal.com]

I gasped out loud at that myself.

Re: 147

[(Anonymous)]

Nigger, then?

Re: 147

[(Anonymous)]

All these nazis on FS are getting really annoying. It's just wrong, okay. Why not say "call a kitten a kitten" or something? Why did it have to be something that's black?

Re: 147

[(Anonymous)]

because thats the expression?

Re: 147

[(Anonymous)]

It's not even possible for me to be a Nazi. I'm not German, you retard.

Re: 147

[lljscrawls.livejournal.com]

Kittens can be black too, you know. They're called black cats. They have black fur and they meow.

That aside, "call a spade a spade" is the saying. It's an age-old expression. It had nothing to do with color -- at least, it probably didn't. I'm not the OP, so I wouldn't know.

In any case, the racial slur that you replied to was EXTREMELY uncalled for and offensive.

Re: 147

[(Anonymous)]

Have to agree that was a really poor choice for a phrase, there.

Re: 147

[(Anonymous)]

All these comments along the lines of "I DIDN'T KNOW IT WAS OFFENSIVE SO IT'S NOT OFFENSIVE!" are making me want to glue my head to the desk already

Re: 147

[angathol.livejournal.com]

I think it was just an unfortunate juxtaposition of idiom and subject matter that had unintentionally awful implications.

Re: 147

[soymade.livejournal.com]

My thoughts exactly. I still winced.

Re: 147

[oddrid.livejournal.com]

haha I agree.

Re: 147

[(Anonymous)]

yeah, because I'm obliged to know every insult ever used in your country. Get real. Everybody agrees that you should apologize if you inadvertently insult someone but YOU'RE NOT RACIST FOR USING A WORD YOU NEVER KNEW WAS AN INSULT IN THE FIRST PLACE.

And don't tell me to "EDUCATE YOURSELF DDD:" because I don't plan on moving to the US anytime soon so I don't plan to spend my life learning about insults that I will never hear, use or care about because here? A spade is just a fucking spade.

I'll be careful around americans with it now but please stop thinking that everyone on the internet automatically knows what colloquialism might offend you.

Re: 147

[eibborn.livejournal.com]

You're putting words in lots of people's mouths. I read those comments as something more along the lines of, "I DIDN'T KNOW IT WAS OFFENSIVE; THE SECRET MAKER PROBABLY DIDN'T EITHER."

Re: 147

[(Anonymous)]

LOL OVERREACTION MUCH. Fucking hell, it's people like you who make it so hard to get people to take things like racefail seriously. SIT THE FUCK DOWN and get over yourself, not everything is about race.