[ SECRET POST #1719 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1719 ⌋


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Notes:

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Secrets Not Posted: [ 1 - broken links ], [ 1 - not!secrets ], [ 1 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - hit/ship/spiration ], [ 0 - omgiknowthem ], [ 0 - take it to comments ], [ 0 - repeats ]
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Comments

[fscom.livejournal.com]

08. http://img546.imageshack.us/img546/8299/ohamysecret.png

[emeriin.livejournal.com]

...And Rory called him out on it. It's not like the show doesn't know how cruel the Doctor can be.

[fenm.livejournal.com]

Yes, Rory calls him out on it; but in the end, the Doctor STILL wasn't the one who had to make the choice. Calling out is one thing; actually making the Doctor DEAL with the consequences is another.

[akashasheiress.livejournal.com]

No, but at the of the day, they still feel the need to remind us how Wonderful and Impossible he is. It's like they're afraid that the viewer can't decide whether on not he is in their own.

[elica.livejournal.com]

Wasn't that the point of the episode ?

[(Anonymous)]

and this is why so many shows have a stupid cop out ending that guts the entire episode to let the heroes "take a third option" by pulling something out their ass. Idiots won't understand what is being shown when there truly is no "third option" to take and it is a choice between two types of horrible consequence.

[countess-k.livejournal.com]

I found that episode really stupid. To me it was a giant manipulation of our feelings with a time travel story that made absolutely no sense. Frankly I might have done the same as the Doctor given the sheer fuck up that situation was.

[(Anonymous)]

Not hating on you, but why are you watching the show if you hate the Doctor so much?

[fenm.livejournal.com]

While we're at it: Would someone explain to me why the runners of this show, who I thought were fans of the old series, are so determined to turn the Doctor into an irredeemable dick? I'm all for dark, edgy, cold-hearted, skirting-the-line-between-good-and-evil protagonists (oh, hai, related icon), but imo, the Doctor really shouldn't be one of them.

[antiva.livejournal.com]

It was just a shit situation all around, really. Viewers knew the paradox could never exist (let's just forget the Christmas special happened...) and the Doctor knew as well.

I think, in a crap situation, he made the right... call? I say that hesitantly because it was an enormous dick move anyhow, but Rory was the one best capable of choosing (since young!Amy was knocked out).

I'm just confused why people are stunned by the fact that the Doctor can be a douche. He's ALWAYS been a sly, manipulating jackass when the situation calls for it. And I kind of love him for it.

[fauxkaren.livejournal.com]

Eleven and I are done professionally after this episode. He was on notice after brainwashing humanity to commit genocide for him in the opening two parter, but now we're done. Because it was bad enough that he lied to himself that old!Amy wasn't real to make himself feel better, but he didn't even have the stones to go through with it. He passed the buck to Rory and tried to make him pull the trigger. So we're done.

Unless of course he gets some huge comeuppance and learns a lesson at the end of this series. Then I will reconsider.

[aeka.livejournal.com]

That scene left me bawling like a baby, though honestly I don't think there was anything the Doctor could have really done. It was douchy of him to make Rory choose between the two Amy's since this was his fuck-up (even if unintentional), but what could he have honestly done with two Amy's wouldn't have furthered screwed up her history? :/

[dgcatanisiri.livejournal.com]

To me, there was no right or wrong solution there, just the choice. It was horrible, it was unfair, and there was no third option to take. It was cruel of the Doctor to make it Rory's choice... but it was also Rory's wife who was on the line, and if anyone should make a choice about her when she can't, it should be him (remember 'Black Spot,' with Amy taking responsibility of Rory's care from the siren? That works both ways.) Which was he willing to do? And even then, he almost did let her in until she made him back down.

The unpleasant lack of a tidy alternative, honestly, is what made the episode interesting to me.

[ditdatdo.livejournal.com]

tbh, I don't even think he was really giving Rory a choice, because there was only one sensible course of action. I sincerely doubt that the Doctor would have allowed him to let old!Amy in even if Rory had decided to, not with the Tardis freaking out about the paradox. Paradoxes never work out well. The stunt giving Rory a "choice" was just to try and get Rory feeling more at peace with what necessarily was being done. Personally, I wouldn't say that's cruelty on the Doctor's part. The situation was cruel.

Also, people being surprised that the Doctor's ruthless, manipulative, cowardly, etc etc need to actually watch the programme. He's ALWAYS been like it. This is by no means new, and personally I love when we get to see his darker and more pathetic qualities. He's not a perfect hero, as tonight's episode rather nicely put it. That's what makes him interesting.

[fiducia.livejournal.com]

I didn't hate the Doctor for it. I was upset, sure, but it was a bad situation with no other way out. He tried to get the Tardis to sustain the paradox of having two Amy's on board but she couldn't.

The Doctor isn't always the good guy. He does what he has to in order to achieve what he believes to be right. They don't call him "The Destroyer of Worlds" because he's fuzzy and cuddly all the time.

Plus I'm pretty sure he hates himself more than you ever could for all these above reasons and more. See his argument with the Tardis over the voice interface. "Oh give me someone I at least like..."

[annissamazing]

I understand why you'd be disgusted with what the Doctor did to the older version of Amy, but it wasn't exactly out of character for him. I'm thinking of two incidents in particular. As the first Doctor, he abandoned Susan, his granddaughter, as she pounded on the door begging to be let in. The tenth Doctor grinned as he ran away from Jack as Jack raced toward the TARDIS shouting the Doctor's name.

The Doctor's ability to be a hero and a Grade A asshole is one of the things I find so interesting about the character.

[(Anonymous)]

Wow, I guess I should catch up on the last few episodes...

Did Amy have some kind of massive breakdown or something? She's not, er, looking too great/...sane in that screencap :(

[p-drunkwriting.livejournal.com]

Yeah, he's always been like that and I still like him as a character despite that (love-hate relationship tbh). He's got a lot of power and that gives him a God complex, this has been mentioned/pointed out in almost every reincarnation (iirc). The only problem I have with it is the fandom, writers and context not holding him accountable for all the shitty things he does. He's an old man, he's not a kid, and he makes the same mistakes over and over, yet he can't even be bothered to read a history book because 'That's not how he travels'.

That's why I like it when he acknowledges it himself and cares enough to tell his companions. Ex: in Amy's Choice the Dreamlord says it's good that Amy is not waiting for the Doctor to apologize, because he never will and God Complex's whole speech was not everything I would've wanted him to say but it was good enough given the circumstances.

/incoherent rant over

[(Anonymous)]

IDK, I still think that he won the Fictional Douchebag Good Guy of the Year award with what he did to Donna (and, yes, has been the reigning champion since then).

[(Anonymous)]

http://androzani.com/waited.shtml <---- this

[(Anonymous)]

The thing which I am most surprised about is that people suddenly "discover" that the Doctor isn't as good as everything thinks he is. The Doctor isn't perfect. He may be a cosmic nine-year old, but at the same time, he's done a lot of things that are rather cruel and cold-hearted. It's part of his character and it always has been. It's rather common for people to think that "oh, he's a pacifist sort of guy that doesn't want anyone to get hurt", but that's entirely wrong. The Doctor has hurt people and always will. Why do you think he's considered the most frightening creature in the universe that has literally toppled entire worlds? What you see isn't necessarily what you get.

And bear in mind, that the Doctor makes mistakes and always repents for them. "Amy's Choice" showed this all too well. The Dream Lord is his dark self- and look how he acts during the entire episode! He's crass, he's rude, he's manipulative- and he always blames his other self for every single problem imaginable. The Doctor doesn't need to weep openly about everything he's done- he keeps it within himself and basically allows it to eat him up from the inside. You can see this in Ten's series so well, it's not even funny.

So, enough of this "oh, the Doctor kills people and hurts them?!!" thing. The Doctor isn't a perfect hero and never will be- and that is what allows him to be the wonderful being that he is.

(FFFFFFF SO MUCH TL;DR WHAT AM I DOING)

[sensualcoco.livejournal.com]

I don't know, I kind of liked the scene. It showed that not even the Doctor is perfect. He may be a Time Lord but he's still only human.

[miff-falden.livejournal.com]

And yet all I could think of is how the 9th Doctor eventually ended up being okay with Rose changing history to save her father.

[aliaras.livejournal.com]

This. So much this. It could have still been depressing and dark and interesting if Amy had just stayed like that/gone her own way. Seriously. That way we could all see how the Doctor sucks, without making the episode really stupid.

[taleya.livejournal.com]

see the thing is, the paradox couldn't be sustained. The TARDIS managed to support one once - by being massively torn apart and rebuilt by the Master into a mockery of what she should have been, and by fucking time up beyond belief (LotTL)

Which would you choose? Which would you save? No, this isn't nice or fair, but a situation like this can't be. And sometimes the only thing you can do is take the path of least evil - she never would have existed, but she also never would have suffered and never lost those years with Rory. And yes, lying to her was a dick move, but given that she would never have even considered helping herself without the illusion of a chance.... again. not right, not fair, but there is no right or fair choice in this situation.

Either she never exists, or she suffers, alone and hunted for forty years. Go one. Pick one.

Even Amy herself acknowledged there was no other way at the end. It's WHY it was so heartbreaking. She knew it coudlnt' be, it couldn't happen, but if Rory had opened that door she would have gone screaming and kicking for any chance, even if it never could be.