[ SECRET POST #1851 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1851 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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18. [TRIGGER WARNING for gore/death]
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19. [TRIGGER WARNING for rape]
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Comments

[fscom.livejournal.com]

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[lolofielding.livejournal.com]

To be honest I think Sally is awesome as the sort of "love to hate" character. But her accusing Sherlock of being the kidnapper did annoy me for one reason. Why would Sherlock have been stupid enough to go into a room with a kid who would have recognised him if he was the kidnapper? I get her being suspicious before hand but no one even seemed to question that logic.

But I just put that down to bad writing. I thought that whole "let's make Sherlock out to be a fake" thing was all-together rushed and not as good as it could have been.

[loracarol.livejournal.com]

Completely agreed anon.

There's something I saw on tumblr that I think is really an apt description: "Sally Donovan added two and two together and got four, the only problem was that Moriarty had changed the answer to five, and no one knew."

She's a good cop, she just had bad luck to be on the losing end of the battle between Moriarty and Sherlock. :(

[ladyhalbourne]

THANK YOU.

[(Anonymous)]

I think she let her personal dislike of Sherlock inform her opinions just as much as everyone else did, but I do think she acted reasonably and sympathetically, and at least she isn't the bullying creep Anderson is.

[(Anonymous)]

I agree with her questioning Sherlock 100%. Calling him a freak every time she sees him and trying to drive John away, even 'for his own good', I'm not so keen on - it's bullying whether he seems to care about it or not.

[(Anonymous)]

i agree with you. but mostly bc i wish i was as smart as sherlock too

[sparklywalls.livejournal.com]

The rational side of me knows she reacted any way most people would with the information she had and the fear of something different. So I don't hate her.

But LORD she raises my hackles because calling Sherlock a "freak" and warning people away from him takes me back to being 13 years old, at high school, when plenty of people called me "freak" to my face in exactly the same tone. I'm not anything like Sherlock, I mean just the general dismissal of anyone who didn't fit with whatever the hell was "cool" and acceptable when I was at school.

She's a total grey area character for me. One minute I like her, the next I'm screaming at my TV.

[adlanth.livejournal.com]

It's a bit silly, but in that last episode she reminded me of DS Gray from Luther (who also questions the main character's integrity, but was, I think, treated much more sympathetically by the writers), and I think I liked her a little more just because of that...

[rocketgirl2.livejournal.com]

AGREED. I love her character so much (even if I don't always love everything she does) and it was so not a fault of hers to investigate Sherlock.

[mistress-siana.livejournal.com]

Saaaaaaaaaaaallly!

Ok, I'm done here. Not even reading the rest of the thread because Sally hate makes me sad.

[wldcatsprstr-14.livejournal.com]

She was completely on point with her thinking in the last ep. Given the evidence she had in front of her, she made an excellent deduction. I have to give her that one.

But her attitude towards Sherlock is just so annoying. Constantly calling him "freak" (whether he is or not, and whether he says he cares or not (it's obvious he feels things that he never says anything about)), continually trying to chase John away from him and make up John's mind for him like she's a freaking nursemaid warning a child away from a dangerous dog instead of acknowledging that John is a freaking adult who can make his own decisions (and has made them!)--her behavior is just petty. She's not any better of a person than Sherlock when she's talking down to him and patronizing John just the same as Sherlock does to others.

Maybe if she took the high road instead of acting like she's 13, I would like her more. But her constant harping grates on my nerves. She jumps at any chance to try to make Sherlock look like an ass or be a thorn in his side when all Sherlock does is come in and do the job that Lestrade asks him to do. He makes fun of Anderson whenever he can but he only responds when Donovan gets in his face first. Yea, he's got a fucking annoying personality. You know what you do with people like him? You ignore them! You don't keep picking at the scab.

I wonder what the backstory is between them because she really acts like they have a rough history. I really hope it's something good.

[bygoshbygolly.livejournal.com]

I hate Sally-hate so damn much. Mostly because people seem to act as if she has a completely unreasonable grudge against Sherlock, when in her first appearance we see him revealing extremely personal details about her and Anderson in public and in front of what (to her) is basically a complete stranger. And I got the impression that he'd probably done worse.

She did call him names and warn John off, and that wasn't great of her, but at the same time, here's this dude who's not even part of the police invading her crime scenes, revealing personal information, insulting everyone, and generally being a giant dick.

Did she jump the gun when it came to her concluding Sherlock was behind it? Probably. Did she let her feelings affect her judgement? Most definitely. But she was manipulated- she was meant to come to that conclusion, and she also had compelling enough evidence to make Lestrade doubt Sherlock.

TL;DR- It makes me mad when people call Sally a bitch.

[cloud-riven.livejournal.com]

Agreed.

I tend to see a ton of the hate, including that for Anderson, try to be validated with, "She's so mean to Sherlock! She called him a freak! How dare she consider him suspect when he presents scenarios no one but him could realize!" Which makes absolutely no sense to me considering there's no reason to put up with Sherlock being an asshole. Not that it's okay to namecall, but everyone is assholes to eachother, and Sherlock's constantly unrepentant one (which only served to bite him and leave him scrambling in the end).

Can't really love her though; no screen time equates to little reason to have strong feelings about her. The hate was giving me flashbacks to the haterade for Skyler in Breaking Bad though. I think main characters in shows like that one, and Sherlock, have this tendency to give viewers a weird Stockholm syndrome.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm going to be different and say that character bashing is never deserved, but Sally drew a pretty stupid conclusion, probably influenced by personal feelings and some sort of background we don't know about. It doesn't take much of anything to find out which crimes Sherlock worked on that he couldn't have committed, and if he was able to do his thing with those cases, jumping to "he's automatically guilty" is stupid. The fact that Anderson and the Chief went along with it didn't surprise me, but seriously, I would think she'd be smarter than that.

[fairyday.livejournal.com]

I never like mindless bashing of a character, but she's probably one of the few where I can at least see why people don't like her, tbh. She has only a little bit of screentime, and spends pretty much all of it being kind of a bitch, and then accusing Sherlock of kidnapping for reasons that honestly seemed more vindictive than based on logic to me. It's more an issue with the writing, not her, but if my first thought is why such a supposed mastermind would make such a stupid mistake, then you'd think a professional would think of that, too :/

[mutantjules.livejournal.com]

I'm down with Sally too. Ever since the first episode I got a sense that there was something PERSONAL about her dislike of Sherlock, and I wanted that to be explored/explained. Unfortunately it hasn't been yet. But in the finale she didn't do anything other than her job and luckily for me I haven't run into very much hate for it

[vivi314.livejournal.com]

Agreed; I think her decision/attitude is up to interpretation, because some people saw in there either an annoying character or someone who had a laps of judgement, and others like me saw it as her doing her job and having an understandable bias against Sherlock; she's by no means perfect, but I find her relatable.
What I find really disturbing is that some fans are using downright misogynistic insults and going as far as edit her wikipedia page with "slut, whore, ugly" and other charming words just because she happens to do that kind of decision. Last time I checked, there were no such things for Anderson?

[alatum.livejournal.com]

I love Sally. <3

[la-petite-singe.livejournal.com]

Oh, no, I agree. I hated that that happened, but it totally made sense. I don't particularly love her or anything, but I certainly don't think the point was to make her look ~evil, it was meant to show how brilliant and effective Moriarty is.

[(Anonymous)]

I was (irl) best friends with someone who lied for several years about having cancer and having family members die. I spent several months conversing online with her close friend who was dying of leukemia abroad, but it turned out that it was actually a sock puppet account and all of the medical documents she had showed me were fake, and all her alibis for being in the hospital were made up.

She told me fantastical over-the-top medical stories all the time, and no one believed her, but, being her best friend, I had had to and I did.
Seeing the fandom's reaction to the last episode was a little painful for me because everyone is so supportive of John. But, having believed the impossible because it was coming from someone I loved, I can't help but wish for John to go with the crowd. He doesn't have the fourth wall outsiders perspective that the audience does, and I have to keep reminding myself that John is doing the right thing by buying into what seems to be delusion because it is a fictional show.

Just my two cents in support your secret. Donovan's neither an idiot nor a villain and in my personal life, the Donovans turned out right.

[(Anonymous)]

Before I started watching Sherlock (I was late to the game), I read a very well-worded little essay on Sgt. Donovan, and the inherent misogyny in all the fans who bashed her whilst merely loving-to-hate Anderson in a much more good-natured way. It pointed out that she was a woman who was doing her job, it pointed out a lot of things about the show, series, and attitudes among some fans, and I was determined to enter the show giving her a fair go. After reading that essay-let, I WANTED to like her-- as much as I have always loved Sherlock Holmes in any iteration, it doesn't prevent me from enjoying characters who hate him.

I couldn't. From the moment she entered in Study in Pink, she just... I hate to use the word 'trigger' because so many people feel it gets over-used, but I just flashed back to every girl I went to school with who pushed for my ostracization. I was ready to tamp down on the bad feelings brought up by the name-calling, because he clearly wasn't put off by it and wasn't exactly being friendly, to put it mildly, but warning a person she doesn't really know from so much as associating with the man crossed the line for me.

It's great honest characterization that she is committed to doing her job and all, and she has every reason not to like Sherlock, but that move from 'I don't like/trust him' to 'You shouldn't be around him' just left a really bad taste in my mouth.

Anyway, obviously we don't all have to like the same things, and personal opinions on fictional characters does not alter my respect for people. I've just been looking for a discussion on this character so that I could air my feelings, I guess.

[kawaiipinksugar.livejournal.com]

Given the information she had, it seems normal and professional that she suspected Sherlock.

The thing is, I understand her disliking Sherlock. He is mean to her colleagues and her - well, to the whole police force-, either calling them stupid to their faces or in subtext. And I cringed when he revealed personal stuffs in the first episode. If I was her, I would most likely dislike him too. Plus, she has taht man facing her who the more sordid is the murder, the more happy he looks; it is kind of normal she doubts him. Lestrade considers him as a friend and is patient enough to work with him, that does not mean his division has to follow him.

However, the name calling is disturbing (for instance, in John's blog, all of her comments are "freak(s)"). And Sherlock might say he doesn't mind, he does. In the first episode, he is surprised and gleeful when John actually admire his way of deducting.

The thing is, the writers seem to have made her character "that chick who really hates Sherlock" without really giving her much more substance - well, it can be blamed on the lack of screentime for her character. And everytime she appears, they are trying to reinforce very quickly that she really dislike Sherlock. Sadly, it is done by name calling, which is the "easy" way, especially when Sally actually somehow comes off as an intelligent person, to me at least.

Well, I don't hate her as I can understand where she comes from. I even quite like her. She's not nice but neither is Sherlock. The only thing is that we are emotionally involved in Sherlock considering the series is about him, it's hard to really like Sally as she gets so little screen time

/rant

[(Anonymous)]

Thank you.

[biodamper.livejournal.com]

"Bless you"? Really? Lol. I thought part of Moriarty's scheme was to let Donovan and Anderson's jealousy of Sherlock get the better of them. "A lie preferable to the truth."