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Pentagon lifting ban on American female troops in combat MOS

[anonymouslyyours]

I've been kind of busy and scatterbrained lately so maybe I missed it but where is everyone other than the "Jesus disapproves of women in the military" people talking about the pentagon lifting the ban on women officially serving in combat MOS?

I skimmed all my normal places and didn't see anything but a couple brief mentions...

Thoughts? Reactions? Pics of badass women in uniform? Preferably from K-9 units.

Re: Pentagon lifting ban on American female troops in combat MOS

[making_excuses]

Wait? Not trying to be rude or anything. But are you telling me females don't serve in combat in America or just being allowed to serve in some parts?

Re: Pentagon lifting ban on American female troops in combat MOS

[anonymouslyyours]

Well they've certainly served in combat areas, especially in modern warfare where there are no clearly defined front lines, but we haven't been allowed to apply or train for MOS that were deemed combat-oriented like infantry and what have you. Navy SEALS, Green Beret, etc. have been off-limits.

Sorry if I'm not being clear or something. I'm dead on my feet trying to stay awake because I have an exam at 8:00. Hopefully someone else can explain this better.

Re: Pentagon lifting ban on American female troops in combat MOS

[ill_omened]

It's pretty great.

The British military were totally chicken shit a few years ago, when they went 'well there's no decent reason to keep women out and we'll (last second decision just before policy was expected to change) oh unit cohesion and stuff? We'll re-evaluate in ten years'.

Biggest thing is probably the promotion opportunities this opens up for women. Not serving in certain units really hurts your long term career goals.

Re: Pentagon lifting ban on American female troops in combat MOS

[unicornherds]

This has been all over my facbook page, mostly because a large part of my extended family and odd amount of friends serve or have served in the American military, a lot of them women. My bff replied with something along the lines of "nice that they're acknowledging it" since women have been in combat areas for awhile even though it's technically been against regs.

It think it's pretty sad that it's taken this long for the ban to lift. We're a pretty puritan country in a lot of ways.

Re: Pentagon lifting ban on American female troops in combat MOS

[inkdust]

Oh Puritans...they still haunt us.

Re: Pentagon lifting ban on American female troops in combat MOS

[greenvelvetcake]

My writing professor asked us in class, "So, what major thing happened today?"

Crickets.

"Anyone?"

Nothing.

"Women can now serve on the front lines!"

"Wait - women weren't allowed to serve on the front lines before? What the hell?!"

Re: Pentagon lifting ban on American female troops in combat MOS

[anonymouslyyours]

I think I'm mostly happy about the non-reaction?

It's good right? Or... well a little disturbing how many rl people I know demonstrated how little they knew about the inner-workings of their country and said the same thing when I shared the news.

So IDK. :/

Re: Pentagon lifting ban on American female troops in combat MOS

[(Anonymous)]

I am going to play devil's advocate here. Several years ago I asked my brother (who serves overseas in the military) how he felt about women serving on the frontline. He told me that for a lot of men, would not be happy about it because women would be a distraction. Not sexually, but because many men have grown up in a society where they are taught to protect women. And for him at least, seeing a woman being killed in action would be much harder to deal with emotionally and more likely to cause distraction that seeing a man KIA.

Re: Pentagon lifting ban on American female troops in combat MOS

[inkdust]

I think that's something that has to adjust naturally, even if it's difficult. A soldier is a soldier and all that. After all the gendered customs in the US, I can't see the change being completely easy.

Re: Pentagon lifting ban on American female troops in combat MOS

[saku]

tell him to suck it up. if we're out there, we're out there for a reason, and we're out there as equals, not damsels in distress.

Re: Pentagon lifting ban on American female troops in combat MOS

[anonymouslyyours]

Allow me to play devil's devil's advocate and say that I, for one, am greatly disappointed in the thought our troops would lack discipline so greatly a fellow soldier being female would have that enough impact their leaders could not compensate.

Re: Pentagon lifting ban on American female troops in combat MOS

[(Anonymous)]

I've never understood this argument. They take soft civilians and turn them into soldiers by teaching people to handle all kinds of deep-set instinctual anxieties such as fear of death and fear of killing, but the one thing they can't tackle is fear of proximity to wounded/killed women?

Re: Pentagon lifting ban on American female troops in combat MOS

[elialshadowpine]

... uh, but.

Women have been in active combat in Afghanistan and Iraq. I know several who served and saw combat. Modern warfare is very different from how it was in the past, and "front lines" don't mean the same thing anymore. Most guys over there will be in combat with a woman at some point.

I haven't heard of it causing the issues that people are concerned about. What is really going to happen here is that the women who have already been in active combat now have more opportunity for promotion, recognition, and pay raises. (The promotion and pay raises are pretty significant, actually, considering that affects stuff like your pension if you are career military and retire.)

Truthfully, I would expect now this is formal, it will affect training for men and women to make sure that the things that people are concerned about happening are less likely to. It hasn't been something they have had to actively deal with because they have just been looking the other way about all the women who have served in combat even though they technically aren't allowed.

Re: Pentagon lifting ban on American female troops in combat MOS

[(Anonymous)]

This would be a problem with the male soldiers, not the female ones.

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[dancing_clown]

I recently read an opinion piece that said something similar (after kvetching because women physically aren't as strong and biologically don't produce the levels of testerone needed for such levels of aggression as actively engaging the enemy in combat).

Basically, she was all "if a woman in combat were captured, she'd be more likely to be raped, and any men who were captured with her might not be able to handle her screams (and would we want them to be able to do that?) and would either divulge information or have serious mental problems after afterward because they couldn't do anything while a woman was raped."

Re: Pentagon lifting ban on American female troops in combat MOS

[inkdust]

There was an article in my paper this morning by a female journalist saying why it's supposed to be a bad idea, and some idiot in the single-line forum saying "So when are women going to have to register for Selective Service?" I wrote a paragraph for the longer forum saying why their arguments are inaccurate / overreactions, but I haven't heard back about publishing it :(

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[ill_omened]

Why is the selective serve guy being an idiot? Focusing on the wrong thing perhaps, but surely the answer there is 'you're right, go bug your local congressman about it, next question'.

Re: Pentagon lifting ban on American female troops in combat MOS

[saku]

it's about time.

i'm really disappointed in the lack of support from conservatives, not sure why i'm surprised tho tbh.

Re: Pentagon lifting ban on American female troops in combat MOS

[(Anonymous)]

I happened upon one article by a woman who claimed that women shouldn't be allowed to serve on the front lines because they were superior to men, whose communication included brutality, and women had more important things to do, like TAKE CARE OF HER FAMBLYYYYY, and any woman who wanted to fight was somehow brain damaged. It was ridiculously bad all around, and none of the comments that I saw agreed with her.

I am very happy that women have more choices, as long as front-line positions are fully-informed choices (for everybody, not just women). And since the US military is voluntary, I have no reason to think that any women who didn't want to be there would be there. I believe that anybody who wants to serve should be able to serve.

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[(Anonymous)]

This was news last summer, so you missed the reaction by a long ways. And the implementation is much more limited than the media are making it out to be. And it hasn't been implemented yet.

Re: Pentagon lifting ban on American female troops in combat MOS

[(Anonymous)]

About fucking time, tbh.

Re: Pentagon lifting ban on American female troops in combat MOS

[(Anonymous)]

I had no idea America didn't let their women fight. I mean, I figured since they lifted the whole no-gays thing that women must...all ready be present? or were also allowed?

Um, good for you American girls!

Re: Pentagon lifting ban on American female troops in combat MOS

[(Anonymous)]

Murrika.

Re: Pentagon lifting ban on American female troops in combat MOS

[natural_blue_26.livejournal.com]

Can't help you with pics specifically of women with the K9 units, but I will say that my husband and I live on a training base and it's always a fun thing to see the dogs out and about. :) (Especially the retired ones that live with their people and can be seen taking their humans for walks around our neighborhood.)