[ SECRET POST #2597 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2597 ⌋

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Comments

[fscom]

13. http://i.imgur.com/164wYpL.jpg

[kaijinscendre]

Are you me? If not, let us be friends and complain about the delusional fangirls together. I especially hate when they say how obvious it is. My sister and mom watch abd neither see it at all.

nuff said

[(Anonymous)]

oh my god lol wtf. oh well, seen this happen, and not surprised. I'm glad there are some sane johnlockers out there!

[rubbertea]

Are you sure they're that serious about it though? I see a lot of people of tumblr who interpret everything in the show for fun but they don't really believe Camembertcat & co did it on purpose.

[kallanda_lee]

And the hilarious thing is THEY think WE are delusional for not seeing it that way.

Most of the queer bait is just them trying too hard

[insanenoodlyguy]

Speaking as an Avatar the Last Airbender Fan since Episode one...

(This image is real. So, so real. Meme birthing real)



I've seen this before.

Shaking them will do nothing. They have staked way too much in this. They believe this with a faith monks envy.

And when they are shown to be wrong... they won't budge. But they will get really mad at the creators for "ruining" it.

[(Anonymous)]

It seems to be a combination of two factors - a willingness to twist on-screen events to suit their preconceptions, and an inability to step back and say 'I'm overthinking this'. All big ships attract these kind of crazies. You should check out the SPN J2 stans.

[(Anonymous)]

I am really amused by the misspelling of "Cumberpatch."

I think I shall call him this from now on. I much prefer it to the actual name.

[(Anonymous)]

After S3 I was left with the feeling that there was no way that Sherlock wasn't in love with John. I just could not interpet it any other way. I know me and my shipper goggles are inclined to think that way but even my (straight, male) co worker said (completely unaided by me) that he felt like Sherlock was in love with John and that he thinks and hopes the show will go there by the end of its run.

And I know its delusional to hope that Johnlock could be endgame, but I still hope. This show has felt like the closest possibility that a queer relationship could move from subtext into actual maintext and, as someone who identifies as queer, I can only hope that it does. I know that at the end of the day its 90% that I'm being queer baited but I feel like there is still that chance that maybe I'm not.

Also some of the meta on this subject is brilliant (some of it is also completely delusional).

Just my thoughts anyway, I get what you're saying OP and I agree that some fans are just plain delusional but I still have hope that Johnlock will be canon (and feel for once that it could be likely eventually).

[fenm]

Honestly, it doesn't make me rage (but then, I often over-analyze things, so...), but... yeah, I don't see it happening. Frankly, if they were going in that direction, why introduce Mary and a baby into the show (and no, "Mary was canon" doesn't cut it for me)?

[(Anonymous)]

As a survivor of the "Merlin" fandom I saw this there as well. Apparently Arthur/Merlin totally became canon in the final episode because... I have no idea. Certainly not because they kissed or got married or said "I love you." Maybe it was because they finally stopped treating each other like crap? Arthur finally spat out a single, solitary "thank you" for all the shit he put Merlin through? Merlin decided that it was time to share the fact that he had magic, YEARS after that information would have actually been relevant to the way Arthur ruled his kingdom?

Who the hell knows. But whatever it was, it was totally canon!

Thing is, we're no longer working on a level of understanding in which canon is reinterpreted to fit shipping theories. Now, now we're at a place where the definition of the word "canon" has been reconfigured to mean whatever the hell a shipper wants it to mean so that they can say "my ship is canon".

No matter how "Sherlock" ends, I guarantee you the same thing will happen there. John will be married to Mary with three kids and a fourth on the way, but the fleeting glance he shares with Sherlock will mean "they're totally canon".

The word has lost all its meaning. All you can do is back away slowly.

[fingalsanteater]

You mean a season that purposefully played to Johnlock shippers has people thinking it could happen? Wow. I'm surprised fans, many of which enjoy the relationship dynamics between John and Sherlock and like to imagine their romantic and sexual potential, picked up on the deliberate queer baiting by the writer(s)/creator(s). I just can't believe they'd be so delusional as to pick up exactly what the writer(s)/creator(s) are putting down and run with it.

[spacebabie]

You and me both OP. I also feel the same way about Destiel. I'm also a fan of Sparrington from Pirates of the Caribbean and liked Remus/Sirius. I knew they were never going to happen but I still enjoyed the ships.

[(Anonymous)]

A progressive fandom shouldn't stand for queerbaiting. And they most certain ARE queerbaiting.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm not a shipper but I genuinely thought they were going for canon johnlock after that terrible Irene Adler episode in series 2, or at the very least make it one-sided. Like, how the fuck else are you supposed to interpret that "I'm not gay" "Well I am and look at us now" (or however it went) part? It seemed obvious, it was basically straight up saying "hey so this dude has a thing for Sherlock".

Then I heard something about them sort of treating slash fangirls as crazy and delusional (although this could be a typical fandom overreaction) and I'm like what the fuck are these guys playing at? You can't have it both ways. Either go full homo or drop it. I usually cringe at the term "queerbaiting" because 99% of the time it's just like "God how dare they not write my OTP fucking? I have to find a way to turn this in to a social justice issue!". But this? THIS is queerbaiting to an insane degree, no doubt about it.

Sorry, there's probably been like a million in depth posts about this but I'm not in the fandom.

[(Anonymous)]

This is why I can't be in slash fandoms anymore. It's just not worth the sanity-draining aspects of being around fans who insist there is ONE TRUE way to see it, with all these little clues hidden that they must find, and anyone who doesn't want to go that route should probably be bulldozed over and ignored, if not outright mocked.

I even like some of the pairings, just can't be around that anymore. Life's too short.

[(Anonymous)]

As a Destiel shipper, I feel you.

[(Anonymous)]

The shippers put more effort into analyzing this show than the writers do in actually writing the show

[(Anonymous)]

I know exactly what you mean.
A bunch of mainstream dudes who think we're very strange write and produce this show to make money off of a massive audience that doesn't want or expect it to be canon.
People who think there is any likelihood of Johnlock (or Destiel) becoming canon honestly worry me.

[(Anonymous)]

The only halfway subversive thing this incarnation of SH is going to do is have him end up with a woman at the end, which of course isn't actually subversive at all.

Either Janine with her Sussex cottage or Molly.

[(Anonymous)]

*kisses OP on both cheeks* Oh dear OP, let us be the closest of friends* from now on.

*in the I-respect-the-things-you-say-online-but-have-never-personally-spoken-to-you way

[(Anonymous)]

Agreed. I can understand passionate shipping, and oh-god-why-aren't-they-canon shipping (I've done lots of both over the years), but the fact that people believe that the show is actually aiming for a canon Johnlock endgame... quite frankly, it baffles me. Like, are they taking the joking words of the writers to heart? "Oh, they really love each other" pretty much never means "they're canon and we're going to make it official on screen", it means that the characters are really tight and have a lot of platonic love for each other. Plus, on what planet is such a lauded and globally popular show going to make that kind of step? Even if the creators were inclined to make Johnlock canon, which they most clearly are not, I imagine the pressures from various sources like the media and network executives would ax that neatly.

It's fine to love a ship, just... try not to get so emotionally invested that you succumb to such bizarre delusions.

lone voice of disagreement

[haikitteh]

Delusional, articulate fans are the wind beneath my wings. I love them and their eloquent crackpot theories. Endlessly entertaining.

Spoilers for Due South

[(Anonymous)]

If only Sherlock was Constable Benton Fraser, and John Watson was RayK. They could ride off into the sunset together, although not on a dog sled I imagine. Paul Gross (Fraser) became one of the writers and producers for the last two seasons and knew about the slash fanzines. Lo and behold he gave many what they wanted. But very few shows go there, and BBC Sherlock will never do so unfortunately, and that is what fan fiction is for. But at least I will always have my Due South slashy ending.

[(Anonymous)]

I'll never understand the need some people have to have their ships validated by becoming canon on the show. Who cares if it happens on the show? There's always fanfic. I could understand a bit if your show had incredibly brilliant writers and you wanted to see how they handled it, but that's really not the case here.

Not to mention, canon sucks a lot of the time. I've read Sherlock fanfic that was fantastic. Season 3 was official show canon and it was crap. Ditto Supernatural. I read many great stories that had truly ingenious ways to get Dean out of hell. What did canon give us? An angel did it with his hand...because angel powers. What a disappointment.

These people would be tons happier if they just used what they liked from the show as a jumping-off point and wrote their own Johnlock. And I'd be willing to bet it'd be tons better than anything Moffat could come up with.

Seriously, they should be careful what they wish for. I reeaaalllly don't think they want to see what he'd do with it.