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School Dress Codes

[(Anonymous)]

Why do peopke get so mad about them?

I'm honestly confused by the sheer hatred that they generate with some people.

Re: School Dress Codes

[(Anonymous)]

Because people don't like to be told what they can and cannot wear by a bunch of controlling people.

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[(Anonymous)]

Because people like expressing themselves, especially in countries that favor individuals than group work. Also spending money.

I've done both and don't really care one way or the other.

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[(Anonymous)]

Because they have not a whole lot else going on in their lives?

IDK it all seems ridiculous to me but I live in a country where 99% of schools have a uniform. My brother's school only has 1 or 2 days a year where they are allowed to take off their blazer on school grounds. But apparently having a dress code that means you can't go into school like you're going clubbing is the upmost evil.

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[(Anonymous)]

I loved having a school uniform, because I'm lazy and the idea of expressing myself through my appearance is alienating and occasionally panic-inducing. I basically have a "life uniform" now (that is less unflattering and itchy than the school uniform).

Some people hate them because they like to dress in particular ways that are expressive of their preferences or personality, and they prefer to be able to make choices about how to dress.

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[philstar22]

Because they enforce gender norms that may not fit everyone. Because they often are focused on what women wear and not as much on men.

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[(Anonymous)]

Because they don't realize it's prepping them for a work enviroment.

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[ansela_jonla]

In my school, especially just after I left, it was because of the sheer cost of it.

When I was there, they just said "black sweater (round or v-neck), black or grey trousers/skirt, white shirt/blouse, black and white striped tie, black shoes, black hijab or turban if applicable". PE uniform was black shorts, white polo shirt. You could get all those things cheaply enough, although buying a sweater with the school's logo on was pretty expensive.

Then they shifted to a more formal uniform. Logoed blazers and logoed sweaters (which both had to be worn, at the same time), a tie according to house colour, logoed PE uniforms. And these could only be bought from one supplier, and they weren't cheap. You were looking at £200 for a full uniform; imagine kitting out more than one kid at once?

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[(Anonymous)]

Cause they wanna be a cool and edgy non-conformist, just like all those cool and edgy guys on tv.

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[diet_poison]

I had a "dress code" in elementary school that involved choosing from a few different colors of polo shirts (you could also wear a sweatshirt of the right colors - these were all school-issued clothes - and you had the option of putting a vest over it) and either navy or kakhi pants/skirt. (they didn't care about shoes, probably because gym class.) I didn't really mind it, mostly because at the time my wardrobe was limited, tended very masculine, and nobody tried to make me wear a skirt. I knew of other schools (religious schools, basically) that made the girls wear skirts and I thought multiple times how incensed I'd be if someone tried to force me to wear a skirt to school.

I preferred middle and high school, where we didn't have any kind of uniform, and the only dress code was basically "don't show too much skin and don't let your ass hang out of your pants", which didn't conflict with anything I wanted to wear.

In hindsight, I don't like the fact that it's always girls who are singled out and admonished not to show too much skin, but on the practical side, men's fashion really doesn't have that issue, unless you go without a shirt, which was absolutely not allowed. There was one creepy dean who would stop girls and make them to go his office and try to get them in trouble for dress code infractions when really he just wanted to stare down their shirts, but that was an issue with him, not the code itself. (He was ultra gross.) My school really never had the issue with shaking its finger under the girls' collective nose and telling them not to distract those poor helpless boys with their charms, so it was pretty cool overall.

tl;dr I am pretty much in favor of not having uniforms because I value self-expression, but I have no problem with some sensible ground rules. Also, if uniforms must be a thing, they should be unisex, period. No forcing girls to wear skirts or any of that shit.

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[kallanda_lee]

I wore a full-blown uniform to school.

I sort of get it, and didn't mind so much at the time - but once I got out I just swung to the other side, the full-blown red hair dye and a nose piercing and eccentric clothes. I became more moderated again since then, but I do think dress codes have an influence on you. If only to let out your inner rebel.

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[eaten_by_bears]

For me, it was part of a whole package of issues. I wasn't really learning anything for most of my school career, and I didn't trust adults as far as my tiny arms could throw them (long-term abuse, no fun), so school mostly seemed like an exercise in control. Like, we won't teach you anything or even keep you safe and there are no consequences for us, but you have to be here several hours a day or you go to juvie. So dress codes and uniforms felt like an extension of that control into an area that wasn't even related to learning. I resented the idea.

ETA: Seconding the skirt thing some people mentioned above. I'm a trans guy, and as a kid I was really defensive about my masculinity. Being made to wear girls' clothes would not have gone well.

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[greenvelvetcake]

Because a lot of the reasons behind them are bullshit. What's wrong with tank tops? Who cares if you can see my shoulders?

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[(Anonymous)]

After having been at the mall over the weekend and seeing a group of 13-14 year olds dressed like prostitutes in training, I can understand why schools need to have them.

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[(Anonymous)]

Dress codes in high school are unfair since a lot of people at that age express themselves through clothing.

My primary school had a dress code, it was a long blouse that we had to wear over our clothes and I can assure you that every day, usually during recess, all the girls unbuttoned theirs to show off their clothes.

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[cbrachyrhynchos]

In my high school, the dress code was so vague and subjective that it was usually applied arbitrarily, which led to a lot of wank over t-shirts. Good: nice clean top-40 hair-metal. Bad: Iron Maiden (on alternating days of the week), Ozzy, anything punk with a racy pun, and Salvador Dali.

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[maverickz3r0]

I went to a high school with uniforms, but it was a pretty lax thing and everyone had a lot of options. None of the guys ever wore the kilts as far as I know, but there was nothing against us doing so.

I think the thing with uniforms is that the rules aren't applied fairly across the sexes. I.e. there are some places where girls are not allowed to wear short skirts or shorts in the summer because it 'shows too much leg' even though they'll overheat if they have to wear something the school considers 'long enough'. So the problem comes from places that put the emphasis on propriety over actual health.

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[ginainthekingsroad]

I wore a uniform at my Catholic middle school, then went to their affiliated HS where for my first 2 years there was only a dress code: everything had to be solid colors, collared shirts (polo or button-up) that had to be tucked in, no skirts above the kneecap (this was the hardest rule to enforce, especially as those short pleated skirts were so popular in 2004!), and no jeans, sweatpants, or really baggy pants. I wore a lot of black polos and long Hot Topic skirts, usually with knee-high patterned socks.

Then my junior year they introduced a new uniform of logo'd polos in only white or navy, frumpy slacks, a truly hideous skirt, cargo shorts for boys only, and regular cargo pants that were the only decent item (in khaki or navy). The other thing was that none of these items matched with the white/green/plaid uniform of the middle school! They brought in a few other items only after I left.

At least when I was a senior, on Fridays we could wear jeans and a special seniors T-shirt or the spirit/rally shirt as well (you got one every year), so there was that option too. And seniors could wear sweatshirts from colleges they visited/would attend. I think I wore my UCSB sweatshirt over non-uniform shirts with the cargo pants 70% of my winter, and just never took it off during school hours. I hated that uniform so much, it was so ugly and unflattering.

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[(Anonymous)]

Everyone at my high school was cool with the uniforms. Blue or white polo shirts, and black or khaki bottoms with a variety of options. I think it helped that we had quite a few free dress days each semester.

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[(Anonymous)]

When I was in high school, I was against uniforms.

Except some people I knew who cared about their looks and stuff wished we had them, because then they wouldn't have to worry so much. It certainly gave me food for thought.

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[(Anonymous)]

The only thing that bothered me when I was in school was the fact that the rules were completely arbitrary. "Fingertip length" for shorts and skirts and "three fingers wide" for straps on a shirt are WILDLY different from person to person. For me, I essentially couldn't wear anything above the knee (because my fingers are so damn long), but I could wear certain tank tops if I wanted, because my fingers are skinny enough to get away with it. But it's not at all consistent, tends to only apply to girls (though not always), and can also pose potential health problems (if, for example, you aren't allowed to wear shorter sleeves or pants and you live in a desert, like me). I wouldn't have minded if they'd been consistent and applicable for the season, but then I never cared about fashion.

It just seems kind of silly.

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[(Anonymous)]

Because a lot of uniforms are horrible?

In my ass-backwards Catholic school, we wore uncomfortable, cheaply made skirts that fell apart, and uncomfortable, cheaply made blouses that faded to transparency in less than a year. Wearing anything (other than underwear) under the skirts was forbidden. Bare legs, always. And classrooms A/Ced down to freezing because the boys couldn't take off their (uncomfortable, cheaply made, impossible to clean) blazers for any reason. Girls over a certain size were ordered to wear minimizer bras. They wanted everyone to look like little children, and to be as uncomfortable as possible.

And they regulated EVERYTHING. People were forbidden to wear contacts until 1998. Hairstyles were narrowed to an incredibly limited range - girls got in trouble for having hair that was too short. Boys had 2 haircuts to choose from - buzz or bowl. They had this creepy "all american" look they wanted everyone to follow, no matter how appropriate it was to someone's actual body. Girls of color were subtly "informed" about how relaxing their hair "would make it more natural." This despite their complete overreaction if someone dyed their hair a (naturally occurring) color.

If there was something you could or couldn't do with your own body, they had a rule about it. Some of them did make sense - who needs to put on full makeup to go to class, who needs to bring Prada bags or $900 sneakers to school - but most of them were just humiliating.

Re: School Dress Codes

[making_excuses]

Because some of us grew up in places where the school had no right to tell their students what they could and could not wear? Why should them? If anyone has that right it is the parents...

Or alternatively, because why the fuck would the school use resources on enforcing an idiotic rule instead of you know teaching?

Oddly enough I have nothing against school uniforms, in theory. It is probably impossible to introduce into a Norwegian school, because of the fact that the arguments used against the introducing of it are twice as many as those for.

Re: School Dress Codes

[nyxelestia]

They are one of those things that are good in theory but can be problematic in practice. For one thing, they enforce rigid gender conformity, which can cause problems on its own. In my experience, if often - and often subconsciously - gets a racist undertone to it, because for some reason even if they're wearing the same length skirts, white girls get a pass while Latina or black girls get called to the office.

Not always, just a disconcerting trend I noticed - i.e. I once wore a skirt where the actual skirt ended about half an inch above my fingertips, but the frills/dangling frays meant the skirt was well past the finger tip; I had to go change, despite the fact another girl was in a skirt just as short as mine was (without the frilly bits that added length. It may not have even been race-based, but it sure felt exclusionary and a bit like bullying.

If I have to choose between bullying from my classmates and bullying from the staff, I'll take classmates any day.

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[mimi-sardinia.livejournal.com]

Ehh, I don't have any particular bad memories of school uniforms, but then my Mum was a dressmaker and a high school sewing teacher and she usually made my uniforms herself. It usually meant going to specific fabric shops who kept a stock of the school's particular tartan.

When I moved into a state school for grade 9, it was a bit easier on minor details, like letting me get away with wearing white sneakers instead of black shoes, but even my church school let us get away with a home-sewn jumper and not bother with a tie (except on photo day and then I only borrowed one), or slip-on shoes (black) with tassels or fake bows.

Admittedly, on the tie issue, I once knew how to tie a Windsor knot because my winter uniform when I was in 2nd grade had a tie with it. It's kinda sad the school I shifted to the next didn't bother with the winter uniforms (same church, but the school was in northern NSW, so a bit warmer), because I totally forgot how to tie a tie.