[ SECRET POST #5986 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #5986 ⌋

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Name the fandom. And repeats, etc.

(If you think something in this thread is a troll, please ignore it! Conversation is fine, but OT wank makes stuff harder to keep track of in this thread. Thanks.)

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01. https://i.imgur.com/ozopb9j.png

[(Anonymous)]

I would give it a pass if they commissioned or bought every part of their costume, but they were also the ones that custom designed at least some the things that other people produced and also were the ones that sourced things and put it all together. Design and arrangement and having an eye for what pieces look fitting or authentic together are skills; it's what costume designers do.

But I agree if someone bought a wholly premade mass produced costume off the rack and did nothing to it though, I wouldn't call that cosplay. I don't consider off the rack Halloween costumes as cosplay either for the same reason

[(Anonymous)]

I like costumes. I like supporting creators. I can't create or sew worth a fuck. I will buy my costumes and enjoy the hell out of them at every chance I get!

[(Anonymous)]

Commissioned my Star Trek uniform and about to go to a convention tomorrow to have fun :3 have fun being mad OP! <3

[(Anonymous)]

Thanks for making my massive rant into a secret, OP!

transcript?

[(Anonymous)]

Does anyone have one, I can't make out half of this.

[(Anonymous)]

You know, in general, I'd tend to support your point, because I don't like the way commercialism encroaches on fandom, and recreates a situation where awesome skills are concentrated in few hands and instead of sharing what they know, the people who get used to being commissioned keep everything they've figured out to themselves and just go "pay me." And cosplay has a certain glamour about it, so it unfortunately attracts a lot of posturing and arrogance and nonsense.

At the same time, ever since a pagan friend of mine who works with both traditional gods and the muses from newer stories observed to me that putting on the mask and clothing that symbolizes a deity is how you invite their presence into your body ... it really clued me in to the fact that, for some of the people wearing a character's clothes, the point is very much NOT "credit my effort, I made it myself!" It's being able to look in a mirror and not even recognize themselves, and disappear so completely into their performance that other people will look their way but see the character they mean to portray.

I love fandom for its resourcefulness and creativity and dedication. But I also love fandom for its desire and willingness to create bridges between our world and fiction. Different methods are more attainable to different people, but I think the overall directions they're striving for, with cosplay, harmonize.

[pantswarrior]

I mean... I kinda get it? Because I also really like talking shop to fellow cosplayers, and it's kind of disappointing when you find out... you can't.

But the thing is, cosPLAYing just means you are playing in a costume. So it's not so much that I like talking shop with "fellow cosplayers" as "fellow costumers". The two used to have more overlap. Now they have less overlap so any random cosplayer I'm talking to may or may not also be a costumer

So I adjust my expectations. For me it would never be satisfying to just buy a pre-made costume to wear around, but for others it is, and that is okay. They're still cosplayers, just not costumers. We can have different kinds of conversations.

(Just, y'know, if they buy their costume, don't freaking enter it in contests, but that should be well-known by now. :P)

[(Anonymous)]

Some people just want to dress up as a character they like, and the way they get there doesn't matter. Cosplay means different things to different people.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't think it's irrational. I would much rather see someone who pieced together a costume from things they bought at the thrift store than someone who just went on TaoBao and clicked "Buy."

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I don't necessarily mind if people buy their cosplay but it always irritates me when attractive people in store-bought cosplay get more attention and accolades than less attractive people in homemade pieces.

[(Anonymous)]

I get where you're coming from, but the "fuck you" part of this secret gets a brow-raise from me for being weirdly hostile.

This is F!S, and you acknowledge you're being irrational, so you're doing everything right as far as venting bad takes goes, and hey, credit for that. But I DO think it's a bad take--particularly the part where you seem actually angry at other people for not having the same cosplay values as you do.

[(Anonymous)]

While I kinda get where you're coming from, and hey, you're in the perfect place to vent it, I kinda disagree with your end FU.

If I had money and could pay someone/help someone whose livelihood was based on making cosplay costumes, I would love that! I would definitely credit them if people took my pictures, like "check out this designer! They made this whole costume, isn't it great?! "

That said, I get the feeling (dare I say almost gatekeeping element) of enjoying seeing what people cobbled together. I did my first cosplay this past year -- I was an anime character maybe 5 people knew who it was lol -- and it was just a bunch of different pieces I had pieced together to make a version of the character -- Character X, but make it fashion. I drew on the face makeup and styles my hair accordingly. I took pictures with folks from the same anime who clearly bought their outfit from party city -- like it didn't matter at all to me! It was just such good fun! And exciting to see everyone excited about the same thing (it was may first con, can you tell? Lol).

I just feel that if we're all having a good time, what's the point of being a hater? Like I don't have time for that! But you feel how you feel and thanks for making this secret and generating conversation!

[capsulecorp_tm]

As a commissioner who literally makes their living off making other people's cosplay, I'm with you, actually.

I fully understand the valid reasons why people have to or want to buy 100 percent of their costume, and it does keep me in business. But there's always that disconnect between crafter and consumer, you just can't talk shop with consumers, and while it's not the end of the world or worth a crusade, it's a genuine disappointment. I get it. Honestly, I do. But that opinion doesn't resonate with everyone, clearly, and that can be frustrating.

Frankly, the way I see it, cosplay can and should be sourced the same as sustainable food. Do you know someone local, or with a small business, doing their best with good customer service and ethically-sourced fabric? Support them before you click "buy now" on Amazon or some other bootleg shop making bank off poor Chinese sweatshop workers. There's not a lot of accessible information, anymore, about what you're actually supporting when you just go to one of the big cosplay sites and click a button. The costumes are not any better than what you'd get at a Halloween store, they're not cheap (gone are the days of $20 costumes), and they don't actually fit plus-sized folks no matter what the website says. idk how things are now post-pandemic but I'm still getting work, so at least there's still a market for actual hand-made product.

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[(Anonymous)]

Because she's less famous/known and therefore less clout gained to claim as one of your group.

I mean I wish it weren't as simple or stupid as that but it pretty much is.

This is speaking as someone who would be 100% fine with black Cleopatra in fiction or whatever.

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John Williams saved that movie.

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I feel like Inside Out finished off the “diametric opposites on a wacky adventure” formula as used in modern kids’ movies. I mean, you can’t get more opposite than Happiness and Sadness.

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[(Anonymous)]

BRB, googling Sailor Death Star...

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[(Anonymous)]

Maybe they just mean that it has Lug and Anode in it, putting the trans in transformers, because I would one hundred percent be there for that.

Seriously, give me a whole series focused on those two loveable disasters.

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