[ SECRET POST #6036 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #6036 ⌋

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[(Anonymous)]

I actually 100% agree with you.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't mind this if it's not written exactly like het porn

[(Anonymous)]

Me either.

I'm trans, but I am NOT here for trans headcanons. It sucks enough going through all of this irl, without seeing it in fiction for characters I like.

It's either Your Fav M/M Pairing, But Now It's Just Het or misery porn. Blech.

I live and let live, of course, but this shit better be warned for so I can avoid it.

[(Anonymous)]

Someone didn't tag their trans fic the other day and it was all going along nicely until suddenly stereotypical het sex scene that could have been stripped from Jayne Ann Krentz or something and that is absolutely not what I was there for.

[(Anonymous)]

Recently I have noticed that there is a trend and in many fandoms this usually hits the m/m pairing, never the w/w so that opens the idea of people feeling icky writing about anal or something, but wanting to write about an m/m pairing. The person who ends up being headcanoned as a afab trans person is usually an effeminate cis man in canon, so it really does leave a bitter taste.

(The way the one with the vagina ends up bottoming as a rule. Play around with ideas, please!)

[(Anonymous)]

100% agree.

It's the weird focus on the genitalia for me too, not just in the sense that it reads as het, but also in the kind of uncomfortable/squicky way that it feels like the entirety of Character's transness is in their pants. Like, a fic that explores a character's transness, even through the context of porn, sure... but it's always just The Exact Same Character But They Have A Dick/Vagina, which sits wrong with me on every level.

[(Anonymous)]

Same here. I'd be more interested if it wasn't always standard PiV or pegging, but that's almost always what you get.

[(Anonymous)]

This is so weird to me, I feel like the thing I see most is both characters (usually from an M/M ship) being trans and I'm like. Just write gender reversal fics, you guys. Other than some weird fetishization of the biological sexual organs during the sex scenes the trans plot point often has zero impact on the story. It's why I skip fics where both characters are tagged as trans, especially if it's marked Explicit.

[(Anonymous)]

I skip every m/m fic marked as trans!character these days because it's almost always one transmasc character with a cis male and the trans character is written as male except he has a vagina the sensations of which are described in detail during the sex scene, which.... no.

If I were looking for m/m, that's not what I'm looking for. If I were looking for trans m/m that is ALSO not what I'm looking for. What you've written here is het. Het with the woman called by male pronouns as some kind of shitty camo. Just own it.

[(Anonymous)]

100% agree. At least back in the ol' days with genderbender, you know it was just straight het porn (eh), but when they're labeled as M/M and one of them is trans, you know is misery porn like other anon said. Mostly to write M/M without being labeled as homophobic.

[(Anonymous)]

I prefer when smut fic uses tags for trans characters, sex acts and kinks where applicable. It's common for trans smut fic to include playing with gender roles as a kink, which is totally cool but can often come out of nowhere. I think that's where some people's comments about "het smut" are coming from, though I feel this could be worded better. In the wider context of erotica, PIV and breeding kinks (for example) are associated with heterosexual sex. Many readers, including trans readers, will not enjoy this coming up in a fic where they didn't have a reason to expect it, because of their personal associations and personal tastes in smut fic.

[(Anonymous)]

I can relate to this.

I read a story recently on the Fantastic Beasts kinkmeme on DW, that I think did a much better job with what the person wanting to read was actually aiming for. They prompted for Grindelwald/Graves, with Grindelwald magically turning Graves' dick into a vagina and fucking him. Well, raping him, given the characters involved.

It just seemed so much more on target. The idea had nothing to do with wanting a trans character, it had to do with wanting that character to experience (disturbingly) being on the recieving end of het sex. And the story owned it and I thought that part was brilliant.

[(Anonymous)]

The same reason most trans!fic has an over-emphasis on penetrative sex and reads like standard m/f is because all smut has an over-emphasis on penetrative sex, m/m, m/f, written, visual, fanfic, pornhub, etc(my anecdotal experience of f/f is that it's mostly oral and sometimes strap-ons, but I won't consider what I've seen as the norm, nor consider mainstream f/f porn as representative of what actual queer women like as 90% of that porn is made for men).

I could get into a long-winded theory as to why, but to be simple about it: patriarchal notions as to what 'proper' sex is colors the general cultural notion of what 'counts' as sex and since penetration usually feels best for cis-men, most porn focuses on that as the be and all and end all of smut, including smut written by women as we're not immune to cultural pressures and expectations. This doesn't mean that women don't enjoy penetrative sex yada, yada, or that's it bad to write it, write what you enjoy and all that, but it ultimately means that most porn is very samey and revolves around some kind of lower-orifice being penetrated.

This is my long winded way of saying: you are correct OP, but there are reasons for it and it's not a trans!fic only thing.

[(Anonymous)]

As a trans person who enjoys piv I am so sick of people saying gay stuff with piv is basically just het. Fuck off with that shit. It's still gay. If I wanted het I'd go read some het, it's not like there's a shortage. I do not want het, I want gay stuff which features people with the kind of body I have, having the kind of sex I like to have.
Like, can people bring in weird fucked up gender stereotypes? Obviously yeah, and it sucks, but people do that with completely cis gay fic all the time also, it's still not het.

[(Anonymous)]

I used to feel like this until I got into the Trigun fandom. The vast majority of fics and art give him a plantussy and at first I was annoyed, but now I quite like it. I think him being an alien plant makes it easier for me.

[(Anonymous)]

As a transmasc writer who was written m/m where one is trans I just do it because I like someone having a body like mine. I try not to make it miserable just someone has a different body. Idk idk. I label stuff so people can avoid, but I don't think it's just het with extra steps :/

[(Anonymous)]

How... Do you write it "not like het porn" tho? By making the trans person constantly sad about their genitalia???

[(Anonymous)]

It's a question we've all asked ourselves. "Why are trans people in fanfic?" Is it because trans people exist? The answer might not be so simple! Is it a fetish? A grab for woke points? A socially acceptable way to write the deeply socially unacceptable niche category of fic known as "het"? Join us tonight in our ongoing investigation into this pressing question, where expert Some Rando On FandomSecrets looks into the real reason trans people are in fic!

[(Anonymous)]

People on here sure do get really fucking weird about trans-fic existing huh?

I'm sure there are some cis people using it as a fetish thing, though considering the amount of cis M/M that's written by cis women I'd be very careful about throwing stones in that glass house. But from what I've seen most trans-fic comes from trans writers who are just writing fic about the kinds of bodies and sex that they know. It's not some secret conspiracy or trick to put "icky het smut" into your pure M/M or whatever, it's just trans people writing fic for themselves the same way we all have been for years.

Like be into whatever you want, YMMV and all that, but the constant framing of trans fic as some sinister "out to get your dogs[fanfic]" movement is just... bizarre. No one is out to get your cis M/M smut, it's just people having fun, let them be.

[(Anonymous)]

I also don't understand this trend, since it doesn't seem to be about trans representation. It seems more like it is a way for the (most likely) AFAB authors to get the aegosexual distance they need from their porn through an m/m ship, but at the same time get to see their genitals/ preferred sexual positions in fic. Which is fine - there's no right way to do fandom - as long as you FREAKING TAG IT.

[(Anonymous)]

There are two things going on in this secret and everyone is fighting because they're not differentiating those things.

The 1st thing: OP dislikes smutfic where characters who aren't canonically trans, are trans in the fic. This is a preference. It's fine. There's nothing wrong with disliking it.

The 2nd thing: OP thinks most smutfics with trans characters are het in disguise. This is a baseless assumption with deeply transphobic roots, and I don't mean roots from the writers of the fic. (Because as much as you think you know what their intent was, you don't. The fact that you think you know their intent was to write het says something about you, not about them.) This assumption is going to upset people.

In the comments (and moreso in the comments on the "Secrets you don't want to make" thread with this secret in it), we have people getting shirty because they see people getting upset at the 2nd thing and assume it's linked to the 1st thing. When it's not. "Don't imply that gay sex is really het sex because it's PIV and one of them is trans; that's transphobic" seems to be getting read as "I take issue with this entire secret, including the OP having their own personal preferences" which leads to rebuttals of "You can't make me like something I don't like!" No. I don't see anyone saying you have to like something you don't like. What you can do, is say you don't like something, without saying you also know why people like it and that the reason is very problematic and you're just concerned really.

Or as I also see, that the reason is not problematic because "if they want to disguise their het as trans gay fic that's ~FINE~ I just want them to tag for it!" Here's what you can say instead: "I just want them to tag who is trans in their fic." That's it. Problem solved.

[(Anonymous)]

One interesting thing I've noticed, that's kinda tangentially related to this - het trans fics don't tend to include explicit sex. Almost all of the slash trans fics that I've come across have at least one explicit scene in them (and more often than not that's the entire fic). But in het ones, you're lucky if you get a fade-to-black, most of the time it's just hints at the possibility of the two having sex. And yet there's plenty of explicit fic for these couples when there's no trans headcanon involved.

[(Anonymous)]

You can't have your cake and eat it to. If PIV is considered het, then you clearly don't see one (or both) of the characters as trans. END OF STORY.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't seek it out, but I don't immediately back-button either. I def don't assign moral weight to the decision on either my part or the authors'.