[ SECRET POST #1925 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1925 ⌋

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Comments

[fscom.livejournal.com]

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[birdboy2000.livejournal.com]

I'm with you there, although I haven't read the books in question. I like to think I'd rather lose my life than take another's, though maybe I'd be too terrified of death to do the right thing.

[(Anonymous)]

Did Haymitch actually kill anyone though? I don't think he did.

[(Anonymous)]

It's great to have principles, but it's all about your survival instinct and you don't know what you would do if it came down to killing, or dying. Take all other choices away and I think most people would choose to fight.

[shah-of-blah.livejournal.com]

Okay, but Katniss also killed Glimmer, and she sort of killed Cato. Regardless, I think she definitely would have killed characters like Cato and Clove if she could have.

As for Haymitch, I don't recall him explicitly killing anyone other than the one career tribute (correct me if I'm wrong), which is almost definitely self-defense, and also something Katniss would have done in the same situation (if not for her own sake, for the sake of Prim and everyone else in 12 who would benefit from her victory). So why is Haymitch morally worse than Katniss?

[azelmaroark.livejournal.com]

Whaaaat?

The Victors aren't bad people. The Capitol is bad people.

We have no way of knowing who among the dead would have killed the other twenty-three if they'd been able. We have no way of knowing what you (or I or anyone else) would have done until you're in that situation. The people who forced the situation upon children are the bad guys.

[(Anonymous)]

So you have never been in a life-threatening situation. Instinct takes over. You'll feel like shit afterward, but in the moment, all you will think about is staying alive, at any cost.

[(Anonymous)]

TW for rape.

I always thought of myself as a non violent person, but when my rapist first attack, it was like becoming a wild animal. I would have killed him if I could have. I tore off one of my own fingernails, for god's sakes. You don't know what's going to happen unless you are in a life-or-death situation or something similar to it.

[(Anonymous)]

I would 100% kill if I need to in a case like that. It's not like I would enjoy killing them, but as far as I'm concerned, I'm doing it to protect myself. It is life and death and I'm willing to kill someone who's trying to kill me. Whether I'd kill someone who was just doing the wait and watch game, I don't know. Probably I'd only booby trap the area around me rather than go after them.

Protecting someone is a good reason to kill someone, but I'm willing to kill to protect myself too.

[atheist-cheese.livejournal.com]

*shrug* I guess I'd be a bad person.

you know what else (i'd be morely likely to) be? alive.

part of what kills my enjoyment of these sort of big-buck YA franchises (Harry Potter for example) that the protaganist never has to make hard choices, morals-wise. It's never a choice between a bad decision or a worse one. They're always heroic and it always works out in the end.

[replicantangel.livejournal.com]

The moral repugnance of the situation is in the society and government that sponsors the Games, not the tributes. Yes, killing a child is an unpleasant idea, but ALL of the tributes are children. Don't they all deserve a chance without being labelled as morally bankrupt just because they wanted to live? Your different values don't give you a moral high ground, just a different one, OP.

Sorry, but this really rubs me the wrong way. Being forced into life-or-death situations against an opponent that's been similarly forced into it is not something that only happens in novels. It offends me that anyone would judge someone that's faced that horrible situation and had the 'luck' to be the one to survive.

[childings.livejournal.com]

If someone was genuinely trying to take my life, no matter what the situation, I would physically defend myself, even if that meant having to kill the other person (I would try not to but... in this kind of situation where the object is for the players to kill each other, I don't think I would have any other choice).

I don't think that makes me a bad person, I think it makes me a human being. Or even more simply put, a basic living organism.

[(Anonymous)]

I...can't empathize. I want to join the military, though, so, I obviously have made my peace with killing and war. That may be why I don't see Katniss or Haymitch as bad guys (in fact, I have a hard time seeing ANY of the victors as bad guys, considering all the circumstances, age, cultural training, the fire of when it comes down to it, etc.)

Though I have to ask you, was your opinion on Katniss tarnished after Mockingjay, when she killed the civilian?

[(Anonymous)]

Kill or be killed, survival of the fittest. Morals have got nothing to do with it.

[cactus-rabbit.livejournal.com]

In the case of the Hunger Games, I think I'd kill myself before killing another person, especially a child :(

[nomorefrostbite.livejournal.com]

What? Katniss would have killed whoever she needed to kill to get home to Prim. She made a promise, and her family were relying on her.

If a Career is coming at you with sword drawn and planning to chop you into pieces, you'd stand there and just let them because to do otherwise would be morally repugnant?
If Clove decided to slice you up slowly you'd lie back and take it?

You have no idea what you would truly do in this real life or death situation once natural human survival instincts kick in.

[fierceawakening.livejournal.com]

Only a small number of those people actually wanted to kill anyone. If any did.

[(Anonymous)]

Who says Haymitch is a good person? I don't think he is. I'm a bit biased as I have a lot of discontent for alcoholics (no matter the circumstances) and that alone rubs me the wrong way. Although despite that he helps Katniss in the Games, I don't think he's that morally a good person. I'm sure the Games changed him. And really who's to say what one would do if they were in the position of being a tribute. I don't think Katniss wanted to kill anyone either, but her will to survive was stronger. She had to survive for her family which is what I think most tributes would feel (careers aside). Oh, and when she made her first kill it wasn't really to protect Rue or Peeta. It was to protect her own ass in the arena.

[certifieddork.livejournal.com]

I'd try to pull a Foxface - stay the fuck out of everybody's way and hope they hack themselves up. To me, it seems like the least repugnant thing to do while still trying to stay alive. Push come to shove, though, I would defend myself violently, no regrets.

[ologist.livejournal.com]

I can't really know for sure how I would have reacted, but I was a very nervous (and also unfit) child and I doubt I could have killed someone. Probably would have frozen on the spot on the plate when the games begun and been killed pretty much instantly.

Nowadays I probably would run away pretty quickly and hide, killing from the shadows. Maybe I could learn a skill like spitting poisoned darts or something.

[(Anonymous)]

Who did Katniss kill to protect Rue or Peeta? Nobody. Not one single person.

Katniss gets angry at Peeta for struggling with his conscience the night before the Games. Asking him "who cares?", telling him to focus on staying alive like Haymitch had told them, and telling him that he's wasting his final hours alive "planning a noble death". "We'll see how high and mighty he is when he's faced with life and death," is what she thinks to herself as she's trying to sleep.

Katniss seriously considers killing the girl who started the fire on the first night of the Games because "stupid people are dangerous" and she figures the person is probably unarmed (!) so it would be easy to take her out. She drops the nest of tracker jackers on the careers and the only person she's concerned about getting out safely is Rue. She's constantly thinking about how she wants somebody else to kill Peeta so she doesn't have to be the one to do it in the end. When she forms an alliance with Rue, she mentions that they both know it can only last so long. She goes to the feast knowing that the other tributes will be there and is fully prepared to kill them if need be. She nearly kills Cato just to end the Games but gets distracted when Peeta is nearly mauled by the Muttations. The first thing she does when the rule change is revoked is turn on Peeta with an arrow ready to fire.

I adore Katniss, but you're seriously misguided if you think she's operating on anything BUT self-preservation. Survival is her ultimate goal. She worries (and cares) about others, but her only objective is to get home. Just like all of the other tributes. She's no better or worse than anybody else who has been forced into the arena.

[(Anonymous)]

Wow, arrogant anon is arrogant.

[kallanda-lee.livejournal.com]

I think you'd be surprised what you could do if your life really depended on it. Survival instinct is a powerful thing, and you never know how you'll react until you are in that situation.

As for Haymitch, I didn't read the book, but in the film I pretty much interpreted his drinking habit as a result of him still trying to forget what he did.

[crazyponko.livejournal.com]

I don't think Katniss or Haymitch are bad people, but I agree somewhat about not being able to hunt another person even to save my life. If someone was attacking me I would fight back, but if I saw another Tribute just standing there or refusing to fight I don't think I could kill them.

At least, that's what I think from my living room. I have no idea what I would do if it actually happened.

[streetcake.livejournal.com]

You're saying this as someone's who's never been in a situation where you either had to kill or be killed. I'm pretty sure most of the tributes(aside from the careers)find the situation horrible and wish they didn't have to kill another person, but when that threat of death is a real and most likely inevitable thing they probably become ultra-aware of how much they want to live. It's a high-stress situation and the gamemakers make sure to drive the tributes into situations where they'll be desperate enough to to something morally reprehensible.

Plus, you're wagging your finger at the victims rather than at the capitol who use the games as a form of oppression/entertainment. To me, that is far more repugnant than trying to keep yourself alive.