[ SECRET POST #2661 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2661 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Injustice: Gods Among Us]


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03.
[Game of Thrones]


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04.
[William Shakespeare's Titus Andronicus]


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05.
[Welcome to Night Vale]


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06.
[Crown of Stars]


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07.
[Game of Thrones]


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08.
[Blade Runner/Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?]


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09.
[LOST]


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10.
[Riff-Raff, Rocky Horror Picture Show]


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11.
[Captain America: The Winter Soldier]


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12.
[Breaking Bad]


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13.
[Problem Sleuth]


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14.
[Doctor Who]








Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 02 pages, 034 secrets from Secret Submission Post #380.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[fscom]

02. http://i.imgur.com/hSeRvQs.png
[Injustice: Gods Among Us]

[kaijinscendre]

Honestly, the fact that they don't kill bad guys is why I don't enjoy Batman/Superman movies (maybe the rest of DC verse?). I don't care about 'slippery slope' or how you should not be judge/jury/executioner. If you are the only damn person that can beat this evil dude (who keeps escaping from jail and murdering more people), KILL HIM. Take a gun and shoot him in the back of the head.

[mekkio]

Batman and Superman can't kill not just because of their moral code but because they don't want to be seen as being the monsters they fight. That the common man doesn't have to worry about them attacking them for whatever. If Batman kills the Joker because he is corrupt. What's there to stop Batman from putting a bullet in every politicians head? God knows most of them are corrupt in some shape or form. What's to stop him from threatening the lives of their loved ones to make sure everyone plays nice? It's not their place to do so. It's the society's place to make sure the Joker doesn't escape. It's Batman and Superman's place to make sure the Joker returns to people for his punishment.

The slippery slope matters when you have powers and means that they do. That they are indeed "Gods amongst men."

And it's not just the slippery slope you have to worry about but how society sees them. Do you really want a world wide panic to happen because Superman decided to go rogue? There goes the stock market.

[(Anonymous)]

So you want Rorschach.

[tabaqui]

THIS. So stupid that they let the evil, mass-murdering villain escape time and again only to kill *more* people. Just end him/her, for fuck's sake.

[applemagpie]

The thing about comics is that it's not particularly linear story telling. There is really no 'end'. Batman has been fighting the Joker for nearly 70 years. Sure, DC can have Batman execute the Joker, but as he's one of DC's most popular characters, he'd only be retconned back in a short matter of time. And DC would essentially be left with a Batman who is fundamentally changed as a character- actually, I'd say the fact that if Batman took it into his hands to execute someone it wouldn't just change Batman as a character, but superhero comics in general. (Yes, Batman has considered killing people before, but he's never actually done it. And Wonder Woman and Superman have also killed people, but only in very exceptional circumstances, and never as a premeditated thing). There should be a fantastical, moral element to comics, imo. It's not supposed to represent real life.
DC's problem is that they keep making the Joker do worse and worse crimes, and it keeps looking more ridiculous when Batman and Gotham City do nothing to permanently stop him.

[loracarol]

Have you ever read "Whatever happened to the caped crusader"? It's the only thing that lets me deal with the Joker conundrum.

[(Anonymous)]

I hate the logic in keeping the Joker alive anyway. "Hurr, I can't kill the Joker, muh code muh morals. Killing iz wrong, but I'd save thousands upon thousands of lives if I just killed him. OHWELLLOL"

It's one of the reasons why I just can't stand Batman anymore.

[(Anonymous)]

I think the people responsible for the Joker's victims (other than the Joker and his Hench-persons of course) are whoever was supposed to be responsible for funding security at Arkham or that Not-Alcatraz prison in Gotham harbor that they all keep escaping from. Batman does his correct duty in apprehending the Joker and turning him over to the state for containment and punishment, it is them who keep dropping the ball. Batman is not Frank Castle, if you want to read stories about a guy who executes criminals out of hand, might I suggest you read Marvel's The Punisher books.

[greenvelvetcake]

I just think the whole "I cannot kill anyone! It is my moral code!" but then he goes and breaks in a few dozen mooks' skulls and everything's fine. Comic book logic, I know, but there's been collateral damage.

[(Anonymous)]

How is this a secret?

[a_potato]

Goddamn you, now I have to do a shot.

[galerian-ash.livejournal.com]

Sakurazukamori...?

[applemagpie]

LOL.

[skippydelicious]

Wait, so basically DC took these joke comics, and then did it seriously?
http://www.superstupor.com/sust12272010.shtml
http://www.superstupor.com/sust12282010.shtml

Goddammit DC!

The canon explanation for why Superman doesn't kill

[feotakahari]

Clearly, the only way for superheroes to put supervillains down for good is to kill the writers who refuse to let them die or stay in prison.

(If we set aside authorial meddling, I'm all for private citizens doing what the state won't or can't. I live in a country where I can rely on police to arrest criminals. If the police cannot be trusted to do that, someone needs to fill their role, and vigilantes--superhuman or otherwise--are just a bad solution rather than no solution.)

Re: The canon explanation for why Superman doesn't kill

[(Anonymous)]

Kingdom Come has the single best reason for superheroes not to kill: because with their god-like power, if they take it as far as being the judge, jury, and executioner, then they are putting themselves above humanity. They are not above humanity.

[applemagpie]

Everything about Injustice is pretty damn stupid. It kind of offends me when people treat it like valid comic canon to make interpretations of characters like Supes (not talking about you in this case, OP)

Also, I will quit reading comics for good the day DC comics have characters like Batman and Superman think it's ok to kill someone.

[(Anonymous)]

I just really want a story(in-universe, none of this All The Myriad Ways bullcrap) where either the Joker is killed or is sentenced to death, and there's no attempt to save him or prove someone else did it or any of that malarkey.

The focus should instead be on the world reacting to the idea of The Joker being dead as a doornail. This guy's been tormenting Gotham City, and by extension the world, for ages, and suddenly POOF! He's gone. It'd be like finding out the actual Boogeyman is dead.

But perhaps most importantly, the main driving question should be "Why the hell wasn't he dead before now?" In a world of superbeings ranging from aliens to gods, why has this guy been allowed to run free for so long?

And while I'm fantasizing, can I have a trillion dollars and a time machine? I hear Pompeii is lovely this time of year!

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, it's not like he suffered a severely traumatic event that changes people.

[(Anonymous)]

I have to agree with the OP on this one because Zod was introduced into the comics and Superman did kill Zod (albeit indirectly). Superman has killed a very small number of people because there was literally no other option, but he didn't stop being a good guy. It's really much more interesting and compelling for a character to cross their own line and live with those consequences. A large part of World's Finest was devoted to exploring both Batman and Superman reacting to deaths they caused. In Kingdom Come, Superman even made a point of letting Joker have a trial when Joker blew up everyone Superman held dear.

I'd like to think we can give Superman a little more credit for having the emotional depth to recognize that, even after the fact, that nothing truly good gets accomplished by murdering out of revenge.

[(Anonymous)]

I agree the Joker is better off dead. Even if they are against killing, he Joker is a serious threat that only gets worse and worse.

However, I don't think Superman should be the one to kill him. If Batman did it I honestly wouldn't have an issue, but Superman I could see falling down the slippery slope. Batman is supposed to be the emotionally flawed one, but Superman is suppose to be idealistic.

He's already stronger than everyone else and society will start to fear him if they see he's not as held together as they thought. The whole superhero thing is on thin ice because the government and citizens fear they will abuse their power. The only reason they can operate in the Justice League is because they DON'T use their powers to kill.

People see superheroes as gods, especially Superman, and that they uphold justice without getting emotionally involved. So killing out of rage kind of degrades them to people and makes them more likely to other outburst of violence.

[gabzillaz]

Batman's face is killing me

[(Anonymous)]

There have been SO MANY situations where Batman should have killed Joker in self-defence. The thing I hate about no kill policies in cape comics is they act like killing someone is always bad regardless of the circumstances.

But there is absolutely nothing wrong with killing someone because they're trying to kill you and/or other people. I think the vast majority of people would agree with this.
If you could easily stop them without killing them that's different, but that's not usually the case for Batman. I mean he generally manages it anyway, but only because of bullshit plot armour.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't like "slippery slope" as it applies to killing someone, because really... If these superheroes are THAT mentally unstable that killing one individual will shake the foundations of their minds and turn them into indiscriminately-murdering assholes, then why the hell is ANYone putting any faith in them at all?

That just sounds like a ticking time bomb about to go off.
I wouldn't want someone like that to protect me.
Who knows what the hell else could drive them over the edge, with those issues.