[ SECRET POST #3217 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3217 ⌋

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[fscom]

03. http://i.imgur.com/OBgJhzZ.jpg

[(Anonymous)]

Maybe because... they view it as just fiction, having no relevance to reality, ot their version thereof?

[(Anonymous)]

Because science fiction is SUPPOSED to be about infinite possibilities and all things are true. You on the other hand, sound like a My way or the highway sort, and thus even more antithical to the ideals of science fiction than your friend.

[(Anonymous)]

I was raised ID but also loved sci fi.

You should watch Expelled, which is fascinating and shows not just idiots believe in ID, as you seem to think.

It's very common to think anyone who disagrees with you is stupid and "how can they think that?" but it doesn't actually help you understand them or the other side of what you think.

I suggest either do some research into why some people believe in ID, or just let it go and continue believing it's all idiots, all the time.

[herpymcderp]

I have met several people who believe in a creation-based outlook despite having prolific careers in areas like developmental biology and neuroscience. It hasn't seemed to affect the way they pursue research or their methodology, so much as presented a backdrop to the way they frame concepts.

tl;dr it seems to be a personal thing as much as any other aspect of faith, and as long as you accept evolution it doesn't really seem to hurt.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm not a believer, but there's a wide range of beliefs within the umbrella of ID, and a lot of 'whys' and 'hows' that science hasn't discovered yet.

Besides, simply by saying that 'random chance' might not really be random an instead directed by some godlike entity without us knowing about it, you can incorporate all kinds of science into an ID belief.

[feotakahari]

A lot of "science fiction" is actively hostile to scientific knowledge, the scientific method, and scientists themselves. See also: http://dresdencodak.com/2009/09/22/caveman-science-fiction/

[(Anonymous)]

Intelligent design is not necessarily incompatible with evolution.

[diet_poison]

So when you say "intelligent design", do you mean "literal interpretation of a creation story that took place in six days and the earth is 6,000 years old" or do you mean "believing in a higher power who influenced the existence of life/the universe"? Because if it's the former, I kinda get where you're coming from, but if it's the latter, then I think you sound pompous and narrow-minded.

[philstar22]

I kind of agree with you. I'm a Christian, but I think not believing in Evolution is like being an anti-vaxxer, though less harmful (except that creationists tend to also not believe in global warming). There is so much evidence for evolution and no evidence that contradicts it. It is scientific fact at this point. So I sideye creationists really hard.

Although, under a broad view of ID you can still believe in evolution. There is a broad ID thing that is just the idea that there is a creator. So you can believe in evolution and believe a creator started the process. That isn't science and shouldn't be taught in schools as science, but it also isn't anti-science. It is religion.

[sarillia]

I was once a creationist who loved science. People picture all creationists as being hostile to science, but there are plenty of creationists who try to fit science to their young Earth beliefs. I'm not saying the attempts to fit it into those beliefs make sense when you have a real understanding of all the scientific evidence and processes involved, but it still comes out of a genuine sense of appreciation for the idea of studying the world around us.

Mormon-anon here.

[(Anonymous)]

I like to think that the conflicts I see between my religion and science regarding the creation are because humanity (myself included) doesn't have a full grasp on either subject.

[(Anonymous)]

To be fair, science fiction doesn't necessarily have to incorporate much real "science".

[(Anonymous)]

I'm an atheist and this whole thread is strengthening my hatred of other atheists. You're all assholes who need to shut up and stop pretending you know everything about what people can believe and whether it fits with science as we know it or not.

ITT: pigheaded Christians, and equally pigheaded culturally-Christian atheists.

[(Anonymous)]

[(Anonymous)]

As someone who believes that God had some hand in evolution I feel sorry for you and the small box that you live in. Life has way more possibilities in my mind.

There are lots of ways to reconcile them.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm not Creationist or a proponent of Intelligent Design. I'm not entirely sure I fully understand Intelligent Design, actually. But I would wager some people consider sci-fi as fictional as dragons, fairies, elves, and other assorted fantastical mainstays.

And, um, I say this as someone who absolutely supports science and scientific method: science has been wrong, even with evidence (sometimes evidence is interpreted incorrectly), it's part of the way we get to being right. So, I wouldn't be surprised if there are quite a few people who discount certain theories that don't fit in with their belief system, but are just fine with others.

Intelligent Design vs Young Earth Creationism vs Evolution (my attempt at explanation)

[(Anonymous)]

OK--Basically, I think it can be explained as follows (just a note, christian here, homeschooled for several years, primarily for educational rather than religious reasons)

Intelligent Design: The belief that an intelligent, sentient force or consciousness, yes, usually equated to the Abrahmic God, has influenced all life on earth so that it has come to be what is today. Like someone planting an acorn, and knowing that in 50 years it will be a towering oak. Or a parent signing up their child for lessons in music/sports etc; and knowing that at the end of 10 years they will have acquired a new skill.

Some believe that the intelligent being has been giving evolution a "nudge" as it goes along, others that the being simply had to set up everything in place at the dawn of time, like an elaborate domino display, and then everything plays out as shown in the fossil record. This is a belief not too different from the God as watchmaker (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watchmaker_analogy) idea popular during the Enlightenment.

Theoretically, except for believing that divine intervention was the catalyst for the entire creation of the universe, the spark that set off the Big Bang if you will, an ID supporters view of evolution might be almost identical to that of most respected scientists. But this varies from person to person, as some see an intelligent force as taking a more active role in the course of evolution, intervening with such frequency, and correlating their religion's stories of miracles. Thus their beliefs may overlap, but not necessarily be identical to those of a Young Earth Creationist, explained below.

Young Earth Creationism : This is the literal interpretation, usually according to the Judeo-Christian Bible that God created the world in six days, of 24 hours each. Dinosaurs and other prehistoric species are believed to have existed, but possibly wiped out by the flood, or by some other event early in human history. Some even equate dinosaurs to the dragons of legend, and point out that many cultures have stories of dragons, or monstrous serpents and other larger than life creatures. The "young earth" part comes from attempting to work out a chronology based on the genealogies given in the Bible, placing Adam and Eve only a few centuries before many Old Testament events. From this they deduce the earth must be only a few thousand years old, the most common figure I've seen is 6,000, but it can range from 4,000-10,000 years old.

While there are definitely some individuals who believe in Intelligent Design or Young Earth Creationism who have little interest or respect for science, some others are surprisingly well informed and spend many years researching both creationist and mainstream scientific information on evolution, check out this article: http://www.godofevolution.com/how-answers-in-genesis-convinced-a-former-adherent-to-give-up-young-earthism/

To make matters more confusing, there are people who toss terms around interchangeably, people who say they believe in evolution, when technically they may believe in intelligent design, and that evolution had a creator behind it, people who say they believe in creationism, when they might mean God created the universe via evolution, and people who say they believe in intelligent design, when their beliefs are nearly identical to young earth creationism.

I hoped some of this was helpful, there are definitely a lot of misconceptions floating around, and can all sort of blur together after a while.

[ketita]

I just don't get what parts of SF are supposed to be so vehemently anti-creationist or whatever.
Space existing? Technological advancement?
Both of those exist in today's world, so if somebody manages to live with internet and their cellphone and sending spaceships to Mars, I'm pretty sure they can deal with those elements in fiction.

Aliens? We haven't encountered any, so at the moment that's still fiction, so who cares.

[(Anonymous)]

Maybe in the same way that people can love a good ghost story without actually believing in ghosts?

Do you truly believe there are pointy-eared Vulcans running around somewhere, or do you accept that Star Trek is also just a story?

Why do you have to deny one thing in order to enjoy another?

[(Anonymous)]

I'm religious and I love science. Just because I believe God created the universe doesn't mean I don't think it's super rad that humans can use brains and tech and so on to figure out the workings of said universe. Finding out more about Venus doesn't make me disbelieve God, it makes me think "Holy shit, God, that planet you made is super metal. I'm like crazy small, huh?"

[(Anonymous)]

A lot of sci-fi is thinly-veiled space-based fantasy.

Draw your own conclusions from that.

[(Anonymous)]

so, all scientific advancements are random chance occurrences rather than thought out, reasoned products of intelligence?

Because, that's what I'm getting from evolution equates to "advances in science."

and yes, unless you were there quantitatively observing it in action, it is just a theory. Evolution, as the origins of the universe, is just as much a "religion" as creation. Because it is not provable!

(Logic... what are they teaching kids in schools these days)

Your religion has nothing to do with science, whether you believe in evolution, intelligent design, or creationism or any combination thereof. It effects your bias, but not science in science's pure form.

Lol I'm surprised to see so many religious people in this thread

[(Anonymous)]

since this whole comm is a place of sin

;D

[(Anonymous)]

When the topic gets on "So some people believe in God, what does that have do do with science?"
This - http://www.11points.com/Books/11_Eye-Opening_Highlights_From_a_Creationist_Science_Textbook

"Electricity is a mystery. No one has ever observed it or heard it or felt it ... We cannot even say where electricity comes from."