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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2011-10-15 03:40 pm

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[identity profile] fscom.livejournal.com 2011-10-15 07:48 pm (UTC)(link)
22. http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/9936/unledjtn.jpg

[identity profile] rosehiptea.livejournal.com 2011-10-15 08:07 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't think it's creepy exactly, just kind of boring and not the greatest writing in the world.

I love the books and I don't really hate the canon pairings but I'll admit Rowling kind of dropped the ball in that sense. I mean, I wish Ginny had been dating other people because she thought they were great, for example.

(... OK, Snape's crush is creepy but I think it's supposed to be.)

(Anonymous) 2011-10-15 09:39 pm (UTC)(link)
Sorry but this is one thing I don't agree with it. Ginny stuck with both boys for months and nothing shows that she didn't actually care for them or thought they were great. Harry and Ron didn't even know she was dating Micheal for months till Hermione told them. Hermione using Cormac as a date is what dating for attention is like.

Snape's crush is pathetic and creepy tho ia.

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[identity profile] santagrover.livejournal.com 2011-10-15 08:10 pm (UTC)(link)
so i guess draco never had a crush on anyone at hogwarts huh 8|a

(Anonymous) 2011-10-15 08:17 pm (UTC)(link)
Who did Draco have a crush on?

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[identity profile] ariseishirou.livejournal.com 2011-10-15 08:22 pm (UTC)(link)
Isn't she writing for a fairly young audience though? I don't think that "yeah, that person you're with? You're almost certainly going to break up with them in next short while" is exactly what teenagers want to read, nor is "your first few relationships are almost certainly doomed to be nothing more than painful learning experiences as you grow into an adult" fun fantasy wish fulfillment for young kids.

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(Anonymous) 2011-10-15 08:32 pm (UTC)(link)
I totally agree in theory. But in practice it's not satisfying at all to follow characters every step of the way and then have the epilogue say "oh btw later he broke up with Ginny/Hermione/etc. and married some Melinda chick, but you're just gonna have to take my word that she's a nice girl and good for him". Bullshit, I wanna know why and how it happened!

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[identity profile] lemon-m.livejournal.com 2011-10-15 08:34 pm (UTC)(link)
Seriously now, how many fans would have been genuinely happy that at the end the characters end up with random characters that they were not invested in and only know the name of? How much of the target audience would have been like, omg I love Rowling! She is so realistic!

As an author I wouldn't want to pair my characters off with people I couldn't develop in the story because it just feels like short-changing the audience. Showing character relationships and how these people affected each others' lives during the hard times they lived through is the trade-off I'd take (and prefer to see)for realism. I'm not saying that Rowling did an amazing job with relationships, but seriously now.

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[identity profile] bleed-peroxide.livejournal.com 2011-10-15 08:38 pm (UTC)(link)
Well, to be fair, a lot of the fanbase would have lost their shit if their beloved characters ended up with no-name people that weren't in the novels.

It's not terribly realistic how everyone ended up with their high school sweethearts, but that's also the best "happy ending" the books could have gotten, not to mention the one that made the readers happy. I don't think most would have been thrilled to read the epilogue and discover that Harry ended up with Gryffindor #15 or whatever. The characters experienced waaaay more than most kids could ever dream, so they grew up a lot and, as such, their views on that are going to differ more than that of the average teenager. Again, it's not realistic compared to how most of us do things, but this is Harry Potter. It's not going to be realistic.

[identity profile] allstarzs.livejournal.com 2011-10-15 08:40 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes. This. It always pissed me off that Snape stayed so obsessed with Lily. It made no sence.

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[identity profile] eerised-da.livejournal.com 2011-10-15 08:41 pm (UTC)(link)
Personally, I don't think it's creepy, just poorly written and stupidly idealised.

But I do agree that it's unlikely any readers would have wanted to see the epilogue where the main characters aren't with the people they were with in the main part of the stories, no matter how realistic. I always thought Harry and Ginny were the most cliched, trite thing, but I'd have been thrown if he'd ended up with Miss Random. And even if he'd ended up with someone I wanted from the canon, like say Luna, I'd still be like "BUT HOW DID THIS HAPPEN!??!?!"

However, all in all, I find the epilogue was poorly done and there's really very little she could have done to make it worse. It didn't really answer questions and it left me feeling like leaving off at the end of the last chapter and getting rid of the epilogue would have been better.

(Anonymous) 2011-10-15 08:45 pm (UTC)(link)
It's the way it was handled that doesn't sit well with me. I actually shipped Harry/Ginny in the fifth book, when I thought Ginny was growing up and becoming awesome by herself. But then it turns out she dated around because she wanted attention from Harry, and then it just turned her character growth into pathetic attempts for the main hero to gain a likable love interest. Also, it's okay for Ron and Hermione to come along, but Ginny has to stay behind and wait for Harry because she's the hero's girlfriend? Yes, she fought in Hogwarts too, but that still makes absolutely no sense to me.

I also don't get why Dumbledore, McGonagall, Snape and all the awesome adult characters just stayed alone forever. I guess with Snape, he's obsessed with Lily, but what about the others? I hated the Dumbledore is gay bomb because great, he's gay, he's also alone forever and now he's dead!

So, unless you met someone as a young adult and managed to snag them as your partner, you're meant to stay alone forever. WTF?

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[identity profile] megalomaniageek.livejournal.com 2011-10-15 08:53 pm (UTC)(link)
I really don't see why people get so butthurt over this topic. I'm not talking about people at the level of "meh I thought the epilogue was kinda crappy," I'm talking about the people who are honestly upset that the vast majority of characters in a series exclusively set in junior high/high school end up with their high school sweethearts.

And quit saying it never happens. It is rarer than the alternative but it happens. Not to mention that the rules often change during war time, and going through major life-changing events together with people really brings them close.
Oh, and when there's basically ONE magic school in your country, if you're a witch or wizard then you did for sure go to school with everybody within six years of age. So yeah, dating people in your age group almost certainly means dating somebody who went to the same school while you were there.

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[identity profile] andprosper.livejournal.com 2011-10-15 08:58 pm (UTC)(link)
I didn't find Snape and Lily creepy - just bothersome. I felt like she was short-changing Snape, as if no one would have believed he truly had a change of heart without some woman to instigate it. I would have found it much more powerful if Snape had had an honest change of heart, where he realized what he was doing was wrong because it was hurting people, not because Voldemort was going to hurt ONE person.

As for the pairing off - it bothered me greatly. I've been a fan since I was 10 and, frankly, I would have actually been happy if they'd not ended up with the people I knew they'd end up with since book 1. No, they didn't have to be paired off with people we didn't know. There were plenty of other characters we knew and appreciated that could have become love interests - Luna or Neville for example. Admittedly, I'm a Drarry reader, but in the books, I would have been pleasantly surprised if Harry had ended up with Luna and Ginny with Dean or other combinations thereof. I feel like the pairing off was contrived and watered down Ginny's character, just using her for a love interest and a way to integrate Harry into the Weasleys further.

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(Anonymous) 2011-10-15 09:37 pm (UTC)(link)
Ron/Hermione actually marrying after graduating makes sense to me. They weren't just school sweethearts, they faced death itself together.

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[identity profile] mskye.livejournal.com 2011-10-15 11:22 pm (UTC)(link)
ITT adults criticize and over analyze children's literature

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[identity profile] amethyst-rei.livejournal.com 2011-10-15 11:32 pm (UTC)(link)
It's not creepy, but it's effing annoying. Yeah, I get that the Wizaring world is small so there probably aren't a million options for potential partners, but c'mon! It's not that small.

Not everyone meets their life partner when they're fifteen and sixteen. I swear I expect half of them to divorce their respective partners after a few years.

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[identity profile] gabzillaz.livejournal.com 2011-10-16 12:50 am (UTC)(link)
This again?
Edited 2011-10-16 00:51 (UTC)

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(Anonymous) 2011-10-16 01:02 am (UTC)(link)
I don't think it's really like that, OP. I think it's fair to say the incredibly intense, tumultuous and traumatic experiences the friends went through caused them to bond in a way they didn't with other people.

Also, weren't Harry/Ginny and Hermione/Ron the only marriages to come out of it?

[identity profile] antler-action.livejournal.com 2011-10-16 04:01 am (UTC)(link)
Please tell me you aren't referring to that thing going around tumblr about how Draco had a crush on Hermione.

because that was completely made up.

(Anonymous) 2011-10-16 04:42 am (UTC)(link)
Draco what now? Did I not get the memo?

[identity profile] shadowpiranha.livejournal.com 2011-10-16 05:37 am (UTC)(link)
As someone who stuck with her high school crush (and it's been 8 years now) I can't say I find it odd...Maybe given the number, but then again when you go through certain shit together - and some of them went through some shit together, let me tell you - strong feelings tend to emerge.

[identity profile] haro.livejournal.com 2011-10-16 06:35 am (UTC)(link)
Draco didn't hold a long standing crush. I have no idea what you're talking about.

Also- PEOPLE ENDING UP WITH SCHOOLMATES IN THIS UNIVERSE IS JUST LOGIC. Almost EVERY witch or wizard in the UK goes to Hogwarts. It's not like you and all your friends ending up with someone at their highschool. In a universe this 'small' there's a darn good chance you're going to meet the person you will eventually marry at Hogwarts.

Snape's obsession with Lily was creepy though, and honestly... I think it was supposed to be?

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ladysugarquill: (LOL Ginny)

[personal profile] ladysugarquill 2011-10-17 12:37 am (UTC)(link)
LOL someone is butthurt?

[identity profile] kaasen.livejournal.com 2011-10-17 06:11 am (UTC)(link)
If the vast majority of the British wizarding population goes to ONE school together it really doesn't surprise me that many characters married a schoolmate. Is this really so hard to understand?