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⌈ Secret Post #2479 ⌋

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Comments

[lynx]

I've got to say I totally agree with this secret. It's the reason I stopped watching. It made me so very uncomfortable, I'm not even USian, but it had "AMERICA FUCK YEAH" written all over it. And I've enjoyed a lot of pieces of media that use roadtrips across the US as a setting, it's not anything against the country, but against that particular angle of USian culture - it's what you precisely described: Dean is a redneck, and there's no way to deny that.

[(Anonymous)]

An USian? Wow, that's rude.

[(Anonymous)]

????

[anonymouslyyours]

That just means United States American. Because there's a South America too.

[lynx]

Smells like troll but I'll bite.

I've never referred to the habitants of the nation of "United States of America" as "American" in the way people in the US usually mean it, because in my culture, "America" is the whole continent. "Americano" is someone who may come from any of the countries from Alaska to Patagonia. If pressed, we agree that there are three political divisions: North America (Canada/USA/México) - Central America & Caribbean nations - and South America. But it's a political division, not a geographical one. There are even songs about how we're all Americans. Please go watch this video and you'll understand the mindset immediately: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vVyoF6L2Zg We don't single out English-speaking countries. Nor French-speaking ones like Guyana, nor the Brazilians who speak Portuguese.

Actually that's the way it's taught everywhere else in the world. Except in the US and Canada.

So actually for most Latin Americans... it's quite grating to hear "American" and know you guys mean just "The USA". AFAIK the most widespread in Latin-American Spanish demonym is "Estadounidense". Which means... USian.

I've seen the term USian used in polite and educated conversation, so I gather the only reason you seem to be so shocked about it is out of misguided nationalism.

[tabaqui]

I live around rednecks and have most of my life. Dean is like no redneck i've ever known. Reading Vonnegut for fun? Knowing every pop culture reference out there, including some very geeky/nerdy stuff? Totally crushing on Dr. Sexy? Yeah, no.

[fingalsanteater]

Dean is a secret and not so secret dork. Also, yeah, he's more a hyper-masculine, working man stereotype on the surface as opposed to a redneck stereotype.

[(Anonymous)]

IAWTC! And I'm a Canadian, and not familiar with your American-- excuse me, USian ways, but yes, Dean definitely comes off as a semi-closeted geek.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, Dean is about as far from "redneck" as you can get. He's just a stereotypical hyper-masculine "all-American" dude, closet geekiness included.

[(Anonymous)]

And watching Oprah!

[elialshadowpine]

IDK, my ex-gf's family are a bunch of self-identified redneck as fuck people who love science fiction/fantasy, pop culture, and the women are all into various forms of Wicca. Somewhat cognitive dissonancely (it's totally a word), they are also pro-life and conservative, the whole clan lives on a big chunk of land in a bunch of falling apart trailers, and most of the other things you'd associate with rednecks....

... but they also had 0 issue with my married gf introducing me to the family as her gf. Their reaction was "Well, we were wondering when you were going to tell us you liked girls". For the time I was with my ex-gf&bf, I was completely accepted as part of the family. (That relationship was all sorts of fucked up but V's family was awesome. They remain the only "in-laws" of any partner I've been with who have been completely accepting.)

[(Anonymous)]

Irony here is they film the show in Canada.

Also I fail to see how this show is conservative but idk I like it. I like Destiel. I'll be happy if it happens. If it doesn't, I'll also be happy long as the show continues to entertain me cause that's what headcanons and fan shit is for

REDNECKS CAN'T BE GAY except there were two canon gay redneck truckers in the finale of season 8?????????

[(Anonymous)]

You are the first person I've ever seen use the term "USian" instead of American.

[(Anonymous)]

You've really never seen that?

It's hardly a unique thing.

[(Anonymous)]

Chiming in to disagree that Dean is a "redneck". He's more blue collar hero (I know you're not USian, but the distinction is pretty big to us, lol). One implies smart but uneducated, and good with his hands, and all the shit that Dean is that conservatives currently romanticize (or, like, the protagonist to a Bruce Springsteen video, even though Bruce Springsteen legit gets upset when conservatives try to use his music, lol). But "redneck" implies just... total ass backwardness, stupidity, and a truly rural, and usually impoverished, upbringing (rather than smalltown or on the road).

Not that the stereotype is nice or anything I endorse, but that's the best way I can put the difference into words.

[(Anonymous)]

The Bruce Springsteen reference is basically perfect for explaining what Dean's all about and all the distinctions that people are trying to make. Excellent post.

[weaselbee]

Yep, slight cultural difference there.

[(Anonymous)]

what the fuck is a 'USian'??? you sound ignorant.

[(Anonymous)]

"it had "AMERICA FUCK YEAH" written all over it"

Really?
There're many shows I have dropped because they were pretty much American propaganda and I couldn't stand it, but although SPN have many "American"'s clichés, that's it.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't think you actually know what a redneck is.

[habilelapin]

Dude, I'm from the US (an Army brat even, daughter of a heavy-metal loving, Harley-riding, rifle-is-so-a-sport guy) and I started to find the "AMERICA FUCK YEAH" grating. Like, it was charming enough in the first few seasons, but seriously. Enough is enough.

[lynx]

FFFF, I'll just reply here. Sorry, guys, I'm way too tired today to engage in thorny political discussion and this kinda upset me a lot. I'm not made for wank.

First of all: I /will/ apologize for the mis-use of the term "redneck". I forgot the demeaning connotations of it (mainly the part about "rednecks" hailing from backwater places and being ignorant as fuck), I only remembered at the time I've seen it applied to politically conservative, chauvinistic, pro-gun/hunting-is-a-sport, persons from the US southern and mid-western states. You're right. It doesn't apply to Dean Winchester. Dean Winchester is only an stereotype of a good "all-American" macho guy, love of apple pie included; but not a redneck.

Second: I guess I shouldn't be surprised by the overly-negative reaction towards the "USian" denonym, but I also kind of expected better from F!S? I promise it's not a derogatory term - it just has been coined recently. If I had wanted to stir shit up I'd have called you guys "gringos", now that one is a slur. "USian" is gaining popularity in both sociology and anthropology circles with a pan-Americanist view as a suitable, non-offensive alternative to the use of "America" as a single-nation denonym.

While it's true there are the United States of Mexico and the United States of Brazil... may I please ask you hear me out here? Yes, we call them just "Mexico" and "Brazil" with no problem, but that's because neither country had the gall of apropiating the name of the entire continent to call themselves.

We're not world powers, dude. You are. Have been since the beginning of the Monroe Doctrine, and before that you already had enough of an international political leverage when you became an independent nation, so the name spread, got translated or adapted, and of course the people in Europe and Asia have no beef with you calling yourselves "Americans" - That's the way they knew you since you became independent. They don't care about the name because it's not their continent. But it's ours too! And it's upsetting for us that, since the entire world consumes your mass-media and culture, the name has prevailed for so long.

Replying to ariakas specifically, I don't get why it's so disturbing a Brazilean/Chilean/Costarrican calling themselves "American". Would it be better if we added "Latin" first? But that would leave out a lot of people from the Caribbean Islands, specifically countries that were part of the so-called "West Indies" who were under the British rule, and we still have a sense of kinship with them. And -sorry to bring this to the table, I swear I'm not trying to make the wank grow further- despite the stuff the US has done to the other countries in the American continent, i repeat we do not single the US out, either. Of course you're "Americans". You're a nation in the American continent. But please do not ask us to call you "Americans" as in "people from the country of America", because there are 35 countries in the American continent.

[darkmanifest]

I'm seriously weirded out by the overreaction to "USian". I've seen plenty of people use it...though typically, they weren't US Americans themselves.

[(Anonymous)]

"Hi, my name is Jackson Smith, nice to meet you."

"Hello, Smith."

"Oh, just call me Jackson."

"You're not allowed to be called Jackson."

"...Why not? It's my name."

"Because there are plenty of other Jacksons out there. I'm Bob Jackson, and that's Jane Jackson - there are dozens of us! Presuming that you get to call yourself 'Jackson', now that's just offensive."

"But... I could just call you Jane and Bob."

"No! We're Jane and Bob, but we're also Jacksons so you don't get to call yourself Jackson."

"But I've been Jackson since the day I was born. My friends all call me Jackson, and so does just about everyone I know. Even my other friends with the surname Jackson..."

"The name has 'Jackson' has been around since before you were born. Don't be ignorant, Smith. Your friends are ignorant too and should stop calling you Jackson."

"But... Smith isn't even a first name... Sure you could technically me 'Mr. Smith'..."

"It's a first name in me and Bob's language, so it should be in yours too. Oh, and Mr.! We could just call you 'Mr.'! How about that? Isn't that a great idea?"

"'Mr.' isn't even a name!"

"But you use it in your name, don't you Mr.?"

"So does everyone else! It's a title!"

"Sure, but 'everyone else' isn't so presumptuous and arrogant as to assume they can get away with calling themselves 'Jackson' when there are so many other 'Jacksons' out there!"

"Why can't I be Jackson, and you be Bob and Jane, and if when we're talking people with the surname Jackson, then we use 'Mr.' or 'Mrs. Jackson'? Or your full name?"

"Because we're Jacksons. We get to be Jacksons. Oh, we get to be Bob and Jane, too, but you can only refer to yourself as Jackson when you mean all of us. Your new first name is 'Mr.'"

"...Oh, fuck that. I'm going to keep calling myself Jackson, thanks."

"BIGOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! STOP ERASING OUR JACKSONIAN IDENTITIES!!!!!!!"

[(Anonymous)]

I'm just hearing lots of "USA, USA!" chanting in this thread :D .
Heard the term USian before, though mostly people use "someone from the States" in my language.
On the other hand Dean wouldn't be a redneck, don't think I'd find a proper subculture for him. Old-school, conservative rocker?

It made my day when people got butthurt over 'gringo' though - I have a weakness for travelling logs written by white people.