[ SECRET POST #2000 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2000 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 00 pages, 110 secrets from Secret Submission Post #286.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 1 2 - broken links ], [ 1 2 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 1 2 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ], [ 1 2 - posted twice ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[fscom]

08. http://i.imgur.com/R8Ooj.png

[(Anonymous)]

Well, it is pretty different from the comic books…

But the idea is to make a distinction. The Thor movie wasn't based on Norse Mythology; it was loosely based on a comic book loosely based on Norse Mythology. They're different. The Avengers movie is loosely based on the Avengers comic books. If you can't make that distinction, than yes, you probably won't enjoy it and you shouldn't watch it.

[thewordlovely]

I didn't get the impression that the audience was supposed to feel that much sympathy for Loki in the Avengers. I haven't seen Thor - my understanding is that he is seen as more sympathetic there, but in the Avengers he was pretty vile the whole way through, except for one scene that I can recall. I didn't really feel like the audience was supposed to sympathize with him at all.

[sparklywalls]

I really don't get this. I'm a mythology nut and I don't see them as having to be exactly the same. It's just inspired by that mythology. It's like I can't get upset about Disney's Hercules or the Stargate universe using mythological beings but not getting it exactly "right" - it's a different canon.

I mean, it's ok you feel that way OP I'm just saying I really don't get it.

[ooh_mrdarcy]

bwuh what

Loki is like one of the most sympathetic male gods in the entire Norse mythology, at least compared to the others.

7/10

[trollometer]

Great job on surpassing the comic book purists and going way old school.You take it all the way back to Norse mythology and you bait the comic book fans AND the movie fans! You set up the sympathetic!Loki wank very obviously, but it should be effective. I think the bragging should bait some of the special snowflake trolls, too. You lose points for over explaination and lack or humor.

Short, to the point secrets are usually more effective. Like, "My family and friends were directly involved with making Thor because we live in the area it was filmed. I didn't like the movie and I can't watch Avengers because I know Norse Mythology and Loki as a sympathyic villain is just asinine to me. Plus, Thor is supposed to have red hair."

Bragging, hook, stinger. You get high marks for potentional, but lose some for not living up.

[(Anonymous)]

That's...kind of dumb reasoning, OP. You obviously don't have to see it if you don't want to, but the Norse mythology component is very, very minor in the Avengers. If it weren't for the names Thor, Loki, Asgard, and the hammer, you would never even know there was any Norse mythology basis at all.

I mean, it's the equivalent of refusing to see something that might have inaccurate scientific jargon (and the Avengers does.) It's such a very minor background detail.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't understand how knowing about Norse mythology means you can't possibly see Loki as sympathetic? I mean, it's not as if the mythological version was irrevocably evil either. He did bad things AND helpful things depending on what he felt like doing. YMMV on whether he could be sympathetic, but he's not really a villain in the way the Marvel version is. Trickster archetype =/= villain.

My issue with the Marvel!Loki is the opposite of yours, actually, being that I feel they make him too evil and destructive and not playful enough. I wound up liking Marvel!Loki anyway, though, just on his own merits.

[ginainthekingsroad]

First anon pretty much summed it up. If you want to see a closer-to-mythology Thor in comics, he appears volume 4 of the Sandman, "Season of Mists". Not a major player in the series, but he's briefly there and is even red-headed.

[childings.livejournal.com]

I don't know how many time people have to point out that it's based on MARVEL'S THOR (ie. a comic book) NOT Norse mythos but whatever

[(Anonymous)]

Correct me if I'm wrong but I was always under the impression that the looks of a hero/god in Norse mythology changed through the times. At a certain time, Thor was a redhead because many of the strong warriors at the time were redheads. Later he became blonde because the warriors themselves were blonde.

But I could be wrong. Just something I thought I remembered hearing school when I was younger.

[mollywobbles867]

Considering that a fuckton of literature is based or loosely based on mythology, you just need to get over yourself.

[dreamwidthcansuckmytits]

I think too many of the fans read avengers!loki as a sympathetic character. IDK hiddleston played him great, but the whole point of the movie is he's an evil dude trying to kill/enslave people and the avengers have to stop him. That is, he's pretty much just a super villain in the Avengers.

I didn't mind Thor because it kind of shows you his perspective? Or in the marvel way which kind of "humanizes" most characters. It's like I can understand why he thinks the way he does, and that movie helped, but idk it isn't really the right way.

Anyway the Avengers doesn't really harp on Loki as a piteous character, it's just the fandom. So you should watch it!

[(Anonymous)]

If you really knew Norse myth, you'd know that, up until Baldr, Loki was just as beneficial to the Asgardians as he was a problem. He tended to mess things up, sure, but then he made things about ten times better. Thor's hammer? Loki got it for him. Who saved the bridge from being destroyed by turning into a horse and... Having a kid with the other guy's horse? Loki.

So, yeah, what? If anything, the original myths made him more sympathetic than the MCU canon since he was basically treated like a disaster waiting to happen, thus becoming a self-fulfilling prophecy.

[(Anonymous)]

Scratching my head here. I thought the Norse myths made him way more sympathetic than Marvel does.

[(Anonymous)]

Don't worry. Avengers Loki is an incompetent, murderous bumblefuck. You're not supposed to be sympathetic.

[(Anonymous)]

Well aren't you knowledgable and snobby.

As far as I'm concerned, Loki is LESS sympathetic in the Avengers than in mythology? But yay, prejudgement & a whiny secret!

And besides, we all suspect the Christians got at the Norse mythology and decided to make Loki "the Devil of the North", right? So Balder became this Christ figure who didn't really feature prominently before, and Loki, who'd always been kinda chaotic neutral before, decided to murder him and refused to weep for him, etc? Still nicer & less body count than in the Avengers!

Why didn't you spit chips about Loki being Odin's adopted son rather than blood-brother? And Thor & Loki were great buddies in mythology, for a while, um surely you'd know that? But oh no Thor's hair colour!!1!

You'd really HATE other fictional adaptions of Norse mythology then, some of them are REALLY sympathetic to Loki, even compared to myth.

[badass_tiger]

Not gonna lie to you OP, I'm always annoyed by people who say 'I'm not going to watch/read _____ because it's different from what it was adapted out of!' Make a distinction. It's a loose adaptation, and a different story altogether. I went into the theatres to see a new story, not myths in movie form, because they're not meant to be myths in movie form.

Although I'll admit, the redhead thing bothered me when I first read the Thor comics too. But I got over it. Everything is too different to see it that way, you know?

[(Anonymous)]

Can't see him as sympathetic, or can't see him as a villain? ;) I'd understand not wanting to see the movie because the character just doesn't fit your interpretation and you're not warmed to an alternate version for the movie (I'm the same way), but it's bewildering to act like being sufficiently familiar with Norse mythology would rule out anyone being able to interpret him like a sympathetic villain...

[(Anonymous)]

I don't think there's anything wrong with that. It's totally different, not meant to be the same, etc., but if you're super attached to something, I understand why you don't want to see a variation on it. I feel that way about adaptations of my favorite books. Doesn't make it inferior or bad, just something you're not interested in.

Not sure why those are the things you're picking on though. Hair color? And Loki always seemed to me to be more of a chaotic neutral figure in mythology, while Marvel used him as a villain (as sympathetic as he was in the first movie.) I hope they move him to that category in Thor 2 tbh.

[oftheark]

I totally understand. I was very on the fence about seeing Thor because I love the myths so, and even though I knew it was different I worried that I wouldn't be able to set certain expectations aside. Fortunately, I was and actually ended up quite liking Thor.

However, the Avengers really has nothing to do with Norse mythology, aside from Loki and Thor being in it. You want to worry, do it about Thor 2, which is supposed to incorporate more Norse elements than the first.

[tabaqui]

Um. Who said you had to see him as sympathetic? (He really isn't.) Who said you had to ship Thor/Loki? (There's no incest in the Avengers.)

I think you're just trying to find something to be nitpicky about.

[galerian-ash.livejournal.com]

You "know too much" about Norse mythology to see him as a sympathetic character? Riiight. But hey, thanks for the laugh!

[wauwy]

lol what a pretentious dumbass

[(Anonymous)]

So I'm the only one who thought the OP meant they couldn't see Loki as a villain, even if he was sympathetic? I've seen more people complain that Marvel makes him MORE of a villain, so that's what I assumed, but everyone seems to be reading it as, OP can't see Loki as sympathetic at all.