[ SECRET POST #2150 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2150 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

This is exactly what I'm talking about.

People call their closest friends bitches, too, that doesn't make it any less of a sexist term. It's used in an insulting-term-of-endearment way. They're using it because it's an insult, and it's an insult because it's a comparison to something female (in the case of bitch, a female dog - in the case of cunt, female genetalia).

It's still sexist.

[(Anonymous)]

It's not only not used in the same way, it doesn't even have the same meaning. It isn't sexist and it isn't used to be sexist. The biggest problem with SJWs in fandom is that most are Americans and you ascribe *your* personal or cultural meanings to *us* because while you frequently go on and on and fucking on about acceptance and understanding, you don't mean any of it. You mean you want the rest of the world to fall in line with whatever is the trendy American issue of the day. So when you say it's sexist or complain about us using it, try to remember that not everyone lives where you do and the cultural meanings and usages are not the same.

[(Anonymous)]

Yes, it does.

What the fuck?

Cunt is cunt. It means female genitalia. It's an insult because it's a vulgar word for female genitalia.

Unless you have some magical new meaning that doesn't have, at it's route, the association with female genitalia?

PS I'm not American, so lol.

[(Anonymous)]

No, it doesn't. It means that you, but it doesn't mean that here.

[(Anonymous)]

Lol, okay then, what does it mean in England? And I'm not talking about the 'well it's commonly used as a term of endearment' sort of meaning, tell me what the actual word means.

I eagerly await your response.

[(Anonymous)]

a non-American saying female genitalia instead of vagina? yeah, right.

[(Anonymous)]

Female genitalia are made up of more than just the vagina!

The More You Know

[(Anonymous)]

Awesome used to mean "really grievously terrible". Now it doesn't. Similarly, "cunt" started off being about female genitalia. Now, in some dialects, it isn't.

[(Anonymous)]

Okay, so what does it mean now?

And don't say "it's just an insult, it doesn't have any particular meaning or association with genitalia at all! It's just a bad word!" because that's bullshit and you know it.

[(Anonymous)]

it's a vernacular term. You may be squeamish enough to regard it as vulgar. It's no more or less insulting than dick or arsehole or any other word for a body part. Tone and context matter when it comes to swearing.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, and the fact that there are several more swearwords that have to do with cis female anatomy than have to do with male or gender-neutral anatomy is totally not part of the context of what makes cunt a sexist swear at all, right?

[(Anonymous)]

Cunt still means vagina.

Thus using cunt as an insult is saying that vaginas are bad.

[(Anonymous)]

I hope you don't swear at all, in that case, given that most swear word reference genitals (female and male), sexual acts and acts of excretion.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't mind using swears that aren't discriminatory.

All the excretion ones and many of the sexual act ones are fine.

[(Anonymous)]

Why are you so determined to police another nation's common usage of words? You're demanding down-thread that people provide definitions and support and justification. We don't need to. We use words the way we use them regardless if it hurts your ickle feelings or not.

[(Anonymous)]

MTE. And policing-anon is probably genuinely clueless about this* but 'cunt' being a pretty normal word is more common in dialects that are low-prestige, and not that Americans have any sensitivity about UK class dynamics, but because of that the pearl-clutching and denigrating people who say it's more a 'normal word' than a 'harshly misogynistic word' is kind of... :/


*a good reason to not run around policing, perhaps...

[(Anonymous)]

Okay, first off, I am not American. So you can quit with that.

Secondly, you know what else is more prevalent in low-prestige class dynamics? Neo-nazism! Woohoo!

Obviously, classism is a huge problem that needs to be addressed. But just because a term or a belief system is more prevalent in low-prestige classes that doesn't mean it should be free of criticism.

[(Anonymous)]

Because sexism is a pervading thing throughout the world and it pisses me off when it's excused?

[(Anonymous)]

DA
But the point English!Anon is making is that it is not perceived to be sexist any more than "prick" is sexist. You DO perceive it as such, because the word likely gives you a kneejerk reaction that it would not give to and English person. More so, are demanding that a whole nation must "see the light" and perceive a word as sexist because *you*perceive it as sexist. Which is ludicrous.

[(Anonymous)]

I read this as, "Boo-hoo! Someone's telling me not to use a particular word because it has a grossly offensive meaning in their culture! I'm going to go to Iran and start giving the thumbs-up sign to people on the street, since my right to be offensive overrides their right to be offended!"

[(Anonymous)]

I used to watch all the Americans in Iraq doing that and I laughed until I cried.

[(Anonymous)]

The internet is not America. Anon you're referring to is being a bit of an oblivious asshat, but it's not the same thing as deliberately doing something offensive to a given culture in that culture's own space.

[(Anonymous)]

Bad analogy. We're not talking about hoards of British people charging around Canada (which is where the chief proponent of omg!sexist butthurt on this thread claims to be from) going "cunt this" and "cunt that". No-one is planning on being deliberately offensive in a country and a context where people will be offended. What we're getting, though, transatlantic disapproval and pearl-clutching and name-calling for using a word how we like in our own country of residence. Canada can remain safely cunt-free, but please spare us the undergraduate lectures about how we're so sexist and ignorant because we don't find the word horribly offensive on our own home turf.

[(Anonymous)]

Except there are plenty of Americans who don't find "cunt" any more offensive than any other vulgar insult either, so your point doesn't stand.

[(Anonymous)]

DA, but you're sort of completely ignoring the possibility that the word 'cunt' not only does not have the same negative connotation, but literally does not even mean the same thing in the UK as it does in the US.