[ SECRET POST #532 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #532 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 00 pages, 00 secrets from Secret Submission Post #076.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 1 2 3 4 - not!secrets ], [ 1 2 - not!fandom ], [ 1 - too big ], [ 1 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[up-here-plz.livejournal.com]

124- I have a friend who went thought that an enjoy non-con for her own reasons. I don't mean to demean your experince, but not everyone does the same.

129- YES. That's all.

148- My issues is when fandom issues are ALL they care about.

154-....awkward. I'm so sorry for you D:

124 OP

[(Anonymous)]

Honestly, I don't care that people have rape fantasies--- in fact, I have my own fascination with domination/submission. It's the people that talk about how they want to see a little girl from a Nick show "in a non-con fic b/c she's a BITCH!" that really upset me. I was a bitchy kid. Does that mean that I deserved it, or that if I write out what happened to me someone's going to get off to it?

I don't read it, but when I am looking for stuff to read, it's hard to blind yourself to the "non-consent" label. Hell, I don't even think it would bother me as much if people just fucking called it rape. Bad shit happens, I obviously get that. And I'm not even calling for people who write it to drop dead. I just don't want it prettied up into something it is not, which is romantic, or erotic.

Sorry. Didn't mean to wall of text you.

101, 123, 125, 137, 138, 148, 15, 155

[(Anonymous)]

101. Fandom can get pretty addicting. I don't know what you mean by "killing," but If it's killing her in that sense (addiction-wise), you should treat it as such and get her help.

123. I'm only a few years younger, and I definitely understand how you feel. My love-hate relationship with fandom really gives me grief. I feel like a moron when I'm a part of it, but sometimes it's so gratifying.

125. Yeah, lucid dreaming is great until you realize how much... it sucks. Tires you out.

137. HAHA! I felt the same way! WTF, lady? That house saved your life!!

138. I hate that big-eyed look. It's so unnatural.

148. I completely agree. There's nothing more irritating than someone simply dismissing your concerns in that way.

152. It's stupid to hate on the things that save people. Truthfully, I'm a little jealous that people could find inspiration in something enough to change them because I can't be inspired by anything.

155. God! I feel like such an idiot because I don't understand internet speak and have to look it up. I hate all the abbreviations and the faces and that it takes me a long time to get the really simple message.

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[typhlogirl.livejournal.com]

Hell no, Brightvale FTW!!

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[geckophobe.livejournal.com]

123: It's okay, old people have interests, too. Shocking, isn't it?

144

[scarletumbrella.livejournal.com]

144 - You're not the only one! jumping_off

101, 107, 115, 123, 124, 150, 152, 155

[jukebox-hero.livejournal.com]

101. When will people stop being idiots and learn to place the blame in the appropriate place? It's your big sister who's killing herself. Not fandom. Accept it and deal with it.

107. Agreed! Fuuka's so sweet and had to overcome a lot. Yukari's just a selfish bitch.

115. I know how you feel. =/

123. Are you me??? /just turned 27 and feels too old for fandom

124. Did you even read what you wrote? It's FICTION. Therefore, nobody is getting hurt. If it bothers you, click that back button in your browser.

150. Mmm, ragged Viral.

152. I hate those commenters, too, for the reason that if someone is that depressed, chances are that THEY HAVE ALREADY SEEN ONE. If something doesn't help, why the hell would you keep doing it repeatedly? Plus, doctors sure as hell can't cure everything. Anyone who thinks they can has never had a serious illness. /rant

155. Idiots use that word. It serves as a moron filter.

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[alienchrist.livejournal.com]

First off - I'm very sorry about what happened to you. It was wrong, and you have every right to your emotions about it.

I'm retyping this and in a bit of a hurry, since LJ ate it before D: but I really wanted to weigh in before I had to go.

I was raped and sexually abused by a relative at a really young age. That doesn't mean I understand what you went through - but I wanted to give that frame of reference. Everyone's experiences are personal to them, so I wouldn't want to belittle what you've been through by saying I totally understand.

However, fiction is only fiction. It's not fair for you to accuse someone of having a bad mentality when you don't know them personally. Noncon may be messed up - but you don't know the people who wrote it anymore than I know you. Writing something isn't the same as committing the act - anymore than writing about murder is killing someone. If we only wrote what we found to be moral, what we found to be acceptable to do, then fiction would be incredibly boring. I don't think most people in fandom who enjoy that sort of stuff think it's okay, in fact, from my awareness, a majority of them are working through their own issues brought on by their own terrible experiences. I don't see them as bad, disgusting people. Written fiction is very different than what happened to me.

Re: 124.

[gratuity.livejournal.com]

Thank you.

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[bluetooth16.livejournal.com]

IAWTS! The episode hasn't even aired yet and there's already wank and fail.

120 - The Gruen Transfer

[http://users.livejournal.com/lizwiz_/]

That would be all kinds of hot.

Re: 120 - The Gruen Transfer

[kennedy-unknown.livejournal.com]

Yes. Yes it would.

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[gratuity.livejournal.com]

Not everyone who is raped avoids non-con fic. Not everyone writes non-con fic disrespectfully. Not everyone who writes non-con fic treats the characters as one-dimensional. Some people actually deal with the subspace of being dominated and sexually humiliated and the significant power issues.

I definitely acknowledge that almost all non-con fic is shit and very disrespectful. But your generalizations are also disrespectful to those who are raped who choose to deal with their experiences in their own way, or people who just fucking want to enjoy their kink.

Re: 124.

[(Anonymous)]

Rape victims who write non-con are just perpetuating the trauma. I don't see how it's a way to "cope". It's basically reliving the same experience over and over. I guess if they do that, it means they just can't get enough.

...What ever happened to simply relating with a rape victim character because of their experience and their struggle to overcome the trauma? When did reliving the terrible event via fic become a coping mechanism?

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[(Anonymous)]

Meh - different strokes for different folks.

I was also raped, and enjoy non-con fics, and also a little non-con roleplay with my boyfriend.

It took me five years before I could even kiss a guy again after it. I can't judge anyone else's kinks, likes and dislikes. But I don't think you should either.

Fantasy is fantasy is fictional and safe.

Re: 124

[(Anonymous)]

...How can you ENJOY that shit after being raped? How?

It's fucking incomprehensible to me!

And I'm not the OP but Jesus, I was raped too, and I fucking hate you people who say you were and then go on to do shit like write non-con and do non-con shit with your SOs. Do you know how terrible that makes the community of survivors feel?

Fuck you! I hope you fucking die and burn in Hell!

[cleverthylacine]

TB!1: I miss him too.

NS!1: I have never, ever, EVER understood why Goodshippers are such fucking sore winners. I understand being a sore loser. It makes sense to be angry if you didn't get something you wanted. (I didn't want her to end up with either of them; I wanted her to remain an equal member of the team with a life outside it and not have to be girlfriends with either of them, btw.) But to be angry because YOU WON and you think people aren't kissing your winner ass enough, and to get on other people's boards and comms and be rude to people who lost because they're not happy about it? That's poor sportsmanship. Why? I lost many friends for saying this, and for openly criticising people I had liked very much for the way they behaved on FW and in the "cornfield" in the wake of HBP. I'm glad it happened, almost, because it made me see what mean-spirited losers some of the people I thought I liked were, and what an asshole I had been for ever thinking FW was funny. But I still don't get it. You got what you wanted. What do your co-shippers want? They cared the most about what JKR wanted and she gave them what they wanted. Why do they still care that there are those of us who continue to ship what we liked shipping, ignore canon in our own fic (which they don't have to read) and criticise Rowling? I really think that it's kind of sick and disturbing--it's like half the people sailing with the Good Ship expected that the day after their ship became canon, all the Harmonians and Slytherfen and slashers would apologise for ever doubting and start licking their assholes or something, and they're mad that those people dared to be disappointed, dared to leave fandom, dared to keep writing AUs and jossed stories, and didn't just pack up and disappear into the night, so they continue to troll other people's comms and forums and journals and start arguments. Why did they expect that? Does that actually ever happen in any fandom? I used to have an icon that said "Ron's like Jesus in a way--I'd like him so much better if it weren't for his fans." I got rid of it but I wish I hadn't because I want to use it for this comment!

148. People don't say this because they think it's impossible to care about more than one thing. They say this because they like their shows the way they are, feel that their shows either reflect the real world as it is, come to fandom to relax because they have enough activism they have to do in the rest of their lives, or think it's a waste of your time. I believe that TV changes to reflect the way the real world changes, not that TV affects the way people really think about things. People don't say the N-word, for example, on television any more because to say it nowadays is to drop all pretence of decency; it's like wearing a T-shirt that says, "Hello, my name is X and I'm a proud racist asshole." When the other words that people are objecting to become that unacceptable, we won't hear them on TV anymore, either. Fandom discussions about racism and sexism also inevitably seem to devolve into fans who disagree with each other about whether a specific thing is racist or sexist beating each other up verbally, and to ship wank and het vs slash wank, but seldom in any direct action that TPTB will ever take notice of. I'd be a lot happier if people would write to Tim Kring about how racist the treatment of Maya and Alejandro was generally on S2 of Heroes, for example, rather than bitching because Mylar fans don't like any hint of Sylar/Maya and therefore we must all be racist sexist assholes instead of, you know, people who just don't want them to get together.

135. I like H/G when written by my fandom friends. I didn't like it when JKR wrote it; she didn't do a very good job. She's not a good romantic writer. Is it possible you feel the same way?

124. I'm sorry that happened to you, but not all rape survivors feel the same way about these stories.

122. That picture is very convincing. And anything's better than Yaeko. (If you are too dumb to tell the difference between a white person speaking samurai-era Japanese with a British accent and a modern Japanese person butchering samurai-era Japanese because the guys are wearing masks, there is no help for it.)

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[(Anonymous)]

Yes. It was better before it became canon.

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[nephthysmoon.livejournal.com]

I was there once, too. I've since 'come out' about it, and I find my fandom life is much happier. I even got pretty icons for it!

[huziko.livejournal.com]

124. Being into a lot of weird kinks, I get a lot of the same reactions when I explain what help me get off. For me, the emotional and physical pain is the reason I like it.

I hate when people sugarcoat rape. It's one of the most horrible things a human can do to another human. I leaves deep scars that sometimes can't heal. But, for me, that's what I like about it. I like the trauma that can come from it and the inner turmoil it causes.

'course, that's probably the reason I like guro as well.

[(Anonymous)]

For me, the emotional and physical pain is the reason I like it.

...oh my god. Get yourself to a fucking shrink, RIGHT NOW. You're fucked in the head.

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[(Anonymous)]

you are NOT alone. man's nightmare? sdfjhdf

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[(Anonymous)]

Is that a bad place? :( I could never play that far.
Maybe I should watch it from youtube.

[kneesocks.livejournal.com]

150. Hell yes. ♥A♥

[clowdmistyeon.livejournal.com]

112. You guys already got a trophy! Let Krawk Island win for once! :D

[solesakuma]

... ETERNAL RUNNER-UPS!!!*

*Note: this is all in good fun! Please remember that. XP

[goldeyedkitsune.livejournal.com]

101. Someone needs to stop binging on all the haterade. Lighten up.

146. WILL NEVER UNSEE.

150. I would have killed for more ragged!Viral screentime. Oh well, at least he keeps his hair like that until the 20-year timeskip epilogue, it's the best part.

150OP

[(Anonymous)]

SAME HERE

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[mogmo.livejournal.com]

YES AUGH, I thought I was the only one who was like, horrified by that game, djfsjjd. ;____;

141 OP

[(Anonymous)]

It's a scary game. DDD8

AWWW KOROMARU. <33

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[catystorm.livejournal.com]

Even though the secret's not about Kenshin, I'm ridiculously glad to see Kenshin show up in some way or another on his birthday. xD;

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[night-is-fallen.livejournal.com]

FUCKING SIGNED.

It always ends up coming out wrong when I say "You know what? Slash doesn't do anything for me". Someone ALWAYS takes it the wrong way, thinks I'm being "close-minded" or "homophobic" or whatever, but NO. It's not that at all. I just personally DO NOT WANT TO READ about two guys getting busy. It's a personal preference, just like everyone out there who doesn't want to read het or yuri or non-con, etc. etc., for whatever reason. I have never understood that double-standard. (And I'm not saying all slash fans are that way, because I know that's not true, so please don't jump down my throat.)

But all that being said, I am tired, tired, tired of feeling like an outcast because slash is not my thing. I could care less what people write, or read, or get off on, whatever. I AM NOT HERE TO JUDGE. But when my FRIENDS are on my case because I have no desire to read slash? WTF is that about? I don't sit around telling them to read things that they have no interest in. And I don't see why it makes me "close-minded". I don't tell them they're being close-minded for only reading slash, so I wish they'd show me the same respect.

Anyway, long story long, OP, I'm pretty sure that I know exactly how you feel, and thank you for this secret. I'm glad to know I really am not the only one out there who just isn't into slash. ;)

Re: 108

[kanagosa.livejournal.com]

Here here. :3

Also when I join anti-yaoi comms, it doesnt mean I'm against YAOI itself. I'm just against the freakin rabid fangirls that go nuts. the AkuRoku ones in KH are the worst! They fuckin ruined KH for me!

[kanagosa.livejournal.com]

108 - I dont care for slash. so I agree!

119 - I'm a FaixSakura shipper. :O

124- I wasnt raped but I was sexually harassed by my uncle, if it means much. Rape isnt funny and its not sexy.

155 - Honestly? I never heard of the word. It was never around when I first got into fandom. It's only now just come around within the last year or so. So I dunno what it is either. Probably some stupid word someone said and everyone else liked it.

Re: 108

[(Anonymous)]

I love slash and I still agree.

[flowerofsin.livejournal.com]

108. I wonder how many secrets with this same sentiment are going to keep popping up.
113. I second the desire for another season. I think there's enough manga to pull it off, so they should get to it.
124. I find non-con manga/doujin/fanworks arousing. I don't feel a need to justify myself to anyone. I don't care who thinks I'm sick because of it. I have my reasons for seeking this type of entertainment out. There, I said it. *lights a cigarette and waits*

124

[(Anonymous)]

kill yourself, please.

or, perhaps, find someone to rape you so you can get that satisfaction first, and then ask them to kill you and leave your body in a river. :)

[(Anonymous)]

102. Well thank GOD you're around to help keep that clear for the poor maligned character! THINK OF THE FICTIONAL CHARACTERS FEELINGS ZOMG!


124. Sorry it happened to you. REAL LIFE rape is horrible and no woman or man should have to go through it.

FICTIONAL rape and all the incumbent fetishes that spring up around it, however, is not REAL LIFE rape. Fans of it can keep it separate. Perhaps you should try, too.


136. what?

102

[(Anonymous)]

I don't care for the character's feelings. I'm there for my own. :D
-is really just a crazy fangirl-

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[top-hatted-girl.livejournal.com]

101. I hope she realizes it, and I hope things get better for both of you.

115. Feel your pain, man. We need a Fictional Character-Lovers’ Anonymous.

122. WAIT WAIT WAIT. How do I not know who that chick is?

135. I prefer Harry/Luna, myself. Can’t quite say why.

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[amandidda.livejournal.com]

115: For real!

135: Same