[ SECRET POST #1967 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1967 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 03 pages, 051 secrets from Secret Submission Post #281.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 1 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
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Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[fscom.livejournal.com]

04. http://i.imgur.com/5nQSh.jpg

[mekkio.livejournal.com]

What are some legitimate reasons to be skeptical that don't involve anything to do with Moffat's Sherlock?

[fenm.livejournal.com]

The cast is more attractive? That's a new one...

I don't think the new version making Watson female is automatically better. In fact, as much as I appreciate the added diversity (not just a woman, but an Asian woman), I can't help but feel it is, to some degree, a way to create the potential for a Holmes/Watson relationship without having to deal with teh ghey (I'm not saying they're planning to make them a couple, but that they want to keep their options open if the show lasts long enough). And the fact that they've taken away Watson's status as a veteran and a practicing doctor REALLY pisses me off.

I'm going to give the show a chance, with fingers crossed that it's good, but I don't get where people are getting the "OMG, it's gonna be better than Sherlock!" from.

[cherrycoloured.livejournal.com]

I know Cumberbatch is not everyone's cup of tea, and he's not mine as well (especially not when there is Rupert Graves), but are people really saying that guy is the more attractive Sherlock between the two of them? He's like fifty billion times uglier than Cumberbatch.

It's exciting to see what Elementary will be like, but I'm not going to say which show is better until I see it. I completely get what you mean. Sometimes overeager, defensive fans can really ruin something.

[fairyday.livejournal.com]

You sound sensible I like you. Haters suck, but I honestly think it just looks a little bland. I'll try it for Lucy Liu though.

[(Anonymous)]

I think the fans are 10 times less obnoxious than the haters, tbh. I prefer optimism to blind hatred on King Moffat's behalf. Everyone who is appalled by this adaptation can easily ignore it ~

[htebazytook.livejournal.com]

here's hoping it gets cancelled quick and if only to avoid further wank

we already have had a 'US Sherlock'--it's called House

[fauxkaren.livejournal.com]

TOO BAD.

I AM STANNING FOR THE SHOW ALREADY.

I like Lucy Liu and JLM and the BBC Sherlock stans are being idiots about this show, so I am committed to supporting it (lol until it premieres- if it turns out to suck, I maintain the right to withdraw my support).

[piepeloe.livejournal.com]

I really like Sherlock so I'll admit I'm biased, but I'm definitely going to watch a couple of episodes. I like the RDJ movies after all and while they're not set in our time, they are 'modern takes' when it comes to the style and banter.

I saw the trailer and wasn't really that impressed. It looked like most other US procedurals, except a bit smarter maybe. But it was just the promo, so it might still turn out different. And even if it is just another (smart) procedural, that doesn't make it a bad show. I quite like some of those.

Anyway, I'm going to withhold judgment until I've seen more. And then I'll see if it's a good Sherlock Holmes show and/or a good show in general.

[rare-lj.livejournal.com]

I hate that they can't be gay for each other. It would have been awesome if Sherlock had been a woman too :(

[(Anonymous)]

i decided to watch the preview of this after seeing this secret....i don't even care about anything people are bitching about...it looks so lame. and god lucy lui is the most boring actress on the fact of the planet.

[agnes-bean.livejournal.com]

While I don't find the stans more annoying than the haters (because the haters are really very disturbing in their sexism a lot of the time), I agree that I am wary. As I said above, it's mostly that it's a CBS show. I find so much of what they put out very, very bland, at best.

(It doesn't help that the one new show of theirs that seemed interesting to me this year was 2 Broke Girls. I'm still angry they tricked me into watching that with Kat Denning's awesome.)

But I do love Lucy Liu and am holding out hope that Vegas (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIJSII0LwSY) is good, so I guess this is the year I give CBS a real shot again.

[(Anonymous)]

I would have given it a shot one way or another, but Lucy Liu does pique my interest and makes me more excited. It would have been better though if she had been Sherlock. I'd watch the hell out of female!Sherlock.

Anyway. As others have already said, I'm also a bit unhappy about the fact that she's not an army doctor. In a way, that almost makes me wish she could have Batwoman's backstory, except as a doctor. (If only Sherlock were female too.)

[fauxkaren.livejournal.com]

This is a good post that addresses issues people had with the trailer: http://sophistory.tumblr.com/post/23546709860/but-sherlock-holmes-never-hates-it-when-hes

And I cannot with people who are upset over Joan gasping at the sight of the dead body. Good lord. It's not like she full on fainted and needed smelling salts. Yes she's a surgeon and has seen bodies before. But seeing a body on a operating table is different than opening a door to find a corpse in a pool of blood. It's a bit shocking and her gasping doesn't make her ~weak.

As far as the military service stuff and being a surgeon who has lost her license... well we don't know the full story yet. Women in the military don't have the same experience as men. They are still not allowed in combat (this policy is slowly changing but idk if it has yet). So just by changing the gender of the character, they're already changing her potential military experience. Plus, I don't really believe that Watson's military experience is ESSENTIAL to the character. And as far as being a surgeon who has lost her license... we don't know the circumstances yet. It doesn't mean that she's incompetent or a bad doctor. She might have just had a bad case. The important part is that being a surgeon who lost her license is putting her in a position where she is a bit lost in life which is why she would take up with Sherlock and get swept up in his crime solving.

And finally the options in this scenario were not Joan/Sherlock heterosexual and interracial relationship (IF the show is even going to go there) relationship vs John/Sherlock homosexual relationship. So by making John into Joan we are not being ~robbed~ of a gay relationship on TV. THAT WAS NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN. IT WAS NEVER AN OPTION. So making John into Joan is NOT an example of homophobia. It just isn't. John and Sherlock is not a canon sexual relationship so there is no gay relationship being erased.

[(Anonymous)]

Mm, I only got one thing from the trailer: screw Sherlock, I only want Lucy Liu/Joan Watson being awesome on my screen!

That is all.

[ooh-mrdarcy.livejournal.com]

Lucy Liu should have been cast as Sherlock. But I'm still going to give this show a shot.

[finmagik.livejournal.com]

The CBS Sherlock's accent. Blech. Sorry he's not that lower class ever.

[velvet-mace.livejournal.com]

I find it annoying when people prejudge something that doesn't even exist one way or another. I'm definitely putting Elementary on my to-watch list, but until it comes out and proves itself, I'm not going to make any judgement about if it's a great or terrible.

However, I like the stans more than the haters. Even if both are talking out of their hats, it's much less annoying to watch someone be happy about something they are looking forward to than to listen to someone badmouth things they don't know anything about and don't have to be involved with.

[barnabys-bane.livejournal.com]

I agree that both sides are irritating (though I'll admit I'm a little more biased against the fans because I have more exposure to them).

I'm skeptical about the show for many reasons, mostly having to do with what I know about the changes to Watson's character and the really incompetent cops, but I'll likely give it a shot. It looks pretty formulaic, but I generally don't mind that (except in sitcoms because I generally hate those for one reason or another). I do like Liu's acting, and what little I know of JLM makes me like him, so we'll see.

[(Anonymous)]

To be fair, Monk, The Mentalist, and House all owe a debt to the original Sherlock Holmes. I don’t know, I’ll give Elementary a shot, it could be good, it could be bad, it could just be okay (likeliest). But the thing is, this isn’t new, I’ve been watching this same variation on a theme for a quarter of a century (since I really started watching anything beyond kids’ shows), only the details are different.

Mrs. King’s a housewife, Scarecrow’s a spy, together they fight crime. (Scarecrow and Mrs. King)
Laura’s a private detective, Mr. Steele’s a con artist, together they fight crime. (Remington Steele)
Mulder’s a believer, Scully’s a skeptic, they’re FBI and together they fight crime. (X-Files)
Fraser’s a Mountie, Ray’s a police detective, together they fight crime. (Due South)
Castle’s a writer, Beckett’s a police detective, (alternatively, Castle’s having fun, Beckett’s doing her job), together they fight crime. (Castle0
Shawn’s really good at observing things, Gus is exasperated, together they fight crime. (Psych)
Olivia’s an FBI agent, Peter’s a catalyst, together they fight crime save the multiverse. (Fringe)
Peter’s an FBI agent, Neal’s a thief, together they fight crime. (White Collar)
Pete’s easy-going, Myka’s uptight, they’re Secret Service agents and together they fight crime retrieve artifacts. (Warehouse 13)
Mr. Finch is a computer genius, Mr. Reese can kick your ass, together they fight crime protect people. (Person of Interest)
Mike is a genius, Harvey’s a shark, together they fight crime practice law. (Suits)

[(Anonymous)]

Considering House was based on the original Sherlock Holmes, that argument feels invalid.

But honestly I'm sick of every iteration of Holmes that's come up since the RDJ movie. And I'm not saying that as ZOMGUH ROBERT FANGURLL, I'm saying that as seriously guys fucking quit it I'm sick of this shit. I love Moffat, but I can't stand the new BBC sherlock, and I can't stand Benedict Cumberbatch, and I've preemptively facedesked multiple times over what I know the Elementary fandom will be.

[vyolit.livejournal.com]

thank

you

[09019.livejournal.com]

This. I'm fine with intelligent and spirited discussion of the pros and cons of the show.

But as an Author Conan Doyle fan?

Do the haters understand just how many times the sherlock holmes series have gone through the ringer? They've been adapted so many times. One more shitty or brilliant show is just another drop in the ocean, either way. No matter how they spin these stories, nothing "sacred" will be lost.

The comparative analysis is interesting because they are clearly similar shows (the old pixar vs. dream works argument) . But getting defensive and the like... well, for example, dream works and pixar release similar-topic-ed movies as a fucking business strategy. Because of the doubled hype, everyone makes more money in the end.

It's totally fine to be critical or excited, I think both sides have valid points! But we know so little about this thing that anyone giving 100% or more on a single viewpoint is .... very foolish. Come on, didn't you guys learn anything from the stories?

Furthermore, a truly good series adaptation will, I think.... withstand the test of time.

[lone-defender.livejournal.com]

I'll give it a chance to have a Sherlock Holmes-y feeling, and for Sherlock's mysteries to be things I can't solve before Sherlock. If it has these two things, I'll be happy with it.

[(Anonymous)]

I've seen the debut trailer for "Elementary," and so far it has me at least interested in checking the pilot episode out. I'll reserve my own judgement on whether the show is watchable, ~after~ I've actually seen something more of it.