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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2012-03-08 06:53 pm

[ SECRET POST #1892 ]


⌈ Secret Post #1892 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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02.
[How I Met Your Mother]


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03.
[White Collar]


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04.
[Smash]


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05.
[How I Met Your Mother]


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06.
[Revenge]


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07.
[The Hunger Games]


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08.
[Yu-Gi-Oh]


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09.
[White Collar]


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10.
[Obscurus Lupa, Subspecies]


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11.
[Castleville]


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12.
[Gintama]


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13.
[The Cat Returns]


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[Mythbusters]


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15.
[Invasion of the Body Snatchers]


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[Titanic]


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17.
[All Dogs go to Heaven]


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18.
[Hatoful Boyfriend]


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[Pokemon]


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20.
[Phantom of the Opera]


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21.
[The Middle]


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22.
[life on mars]


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23.
[Scrubs]


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24.
[A Goofy Movie]


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25.
[Nerimon/Alex Day]


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26.
[Katie McGrath]


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27.
[Chuck]


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28.
[Top Chef Season 9]


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29.
[The Vampire Diaries]


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30.
[The Vampire Diaries]


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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 02 pages, 045 secrets from Secret Submission Post #270.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 1 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 1 2 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

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[identity profile] fscom.livejournal.com 2012-03-08 11:55 pm (UTC)(link)
16. http://i42.tinypic.com/5cn0wx.jpg
[Titanic]

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(Anonymous) 2012-03-09 12:11 am (UTC)(link)
Yes, it does. But hey, if that's what you want, go for it.

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(Anonymous) 2012-03-09 12:13 am (UTC)(link)
I can relate. If there's a movie where a girl already has a fiance but later has another love interest, I WILL ALWAYS CHEER FOR THE FIANCE. It happens to me every time, no matter what. I can't even explain it.

Plus I'd totally want to keep my high end lifestyle, idgaf. We can be spoiled and selfish together, anon. Haha.

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(Anonymous) 2012-03-09 12:13 am (UTC)(link)
I don't think it makes you unfeminist to want that. If that's where it ends, you go ahead if you get the chance!

It's when it extends to 'and Rose should have also done that because I SAID SO and she's stupid because she didn't blah blah' that it becomes unfeminist.

You didn't actually state that though. Your statement just refers to yourself.

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[identity profile] 51stcenturyfox.livejournal.com 2012-03-09 12:25 am (UTC)(link)
I don't know about marrying him, but I sure as hell wouldn't give that necklace a burial at sea!

Why not just make a withdrawal from the bank and start a bonfire. Great plan.

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[identity profile] otakugal15.livejournal.com 2012-03-09 12:31 am (UTC)(link)
Yep!! It does!! Hope you would have liked being slapped around and only used for HIS pleasure and being miserable for the rest of your life.

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(Anonymous) 2012-03-09 12:41 am (UTC)(link)
When you marry for money, you'll end up earning every penny.

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(Anonymous) 2012-03-09 12:45 am (UTC)(link)
I'd have married him and then killed him. That way I get his money and a life free of him.

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I know what you're talking about, with the bankrupt thing, but here's the thing: Rose's mother is just afraid of actually having to work for a living and being middle-class. "Would you see me working as a seamstress?" Uh, lady, most people don't get to not work the fuck at all.

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[identity profile] karate0kat.livejournal.com 2012-03-09 12:52 am (UTC)(link)
In some ways I can understand the romanticizing of this period and the role women had. I am fiercely feminist and very independent and currently have no guy whatsoever - and damn if I don't sometimes fantasize about having someone take care of me and not having to fucking worry about making any hard choices or worrying about money.

But it's just a fantasy. I think the reality of living like that is far more brutal than a lot of women who have never actually been treated like that realize.

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[identity profile] cloud-riven.livejournal.com 2012-03-09 12:52 am (UTC)(link)
Not necessarily. I mean you'd still be making the choice there if you were in her shoes. Maybe it's definitely not a healthy choice, but it would still be yours, and you'd apparently love it. Whatever.

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(Anonymous) 2012-03-09 12:57 am (UTC)(link)
Doing what you have to do to keep your family intact isn't anti-feminist, but marrying a raging misogynist so you can have shinies IS anti-feminist.

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[identity profile] tamchronic.livejournal.com 2012-03-09 01:05 am (UTC)(link)
I agree with the first part of this secret. I find the whole film awkward, and Rose personally unrelatable for me, because I would have felt so alive and at home in her aristocratic lifestyle.

I don't think I would have married Cal for such materialistic reasons, though. I understand wanting to keep my family from going bankrupt, but I'm a little more romantic than that -- and he was a jerk, anyway.

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Except this is you thinking about making a choice, and that is feminist. Damn SJW--I think they forget that feminism =/= some hive mind set of morals, but the ability to make choices. You would choose to marry for money to save your family from the poorhouse, and that is a-okay.

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[identity profile] barnabys-bane.livejournal.com 2012-03-09 01:16 am (UTC)(link)
Good god, I hate this movie.

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(Anonymous) 2012-03-09 01:49 am (UTC)(link)
People throw those insults because they're jealous of those who get the opportunity.

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(Anonymous) 2012-03-09 01:55 am (UTC)(link)
You realize, in that lifestyle of the time, you wouldn't have HAD a choice?

If she hadn't given a fake name and hadn't hidden herself, he would have taken her and married her, because she was a woman and women didn't get a choice in those matters. So, if you like the idea of having no choice in your marriage and just being a decoration? Okay. Fine. You want that. But that's what Rose was and that's what the life for the rich was back then.

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If you're so shallow that money is worth having your entire personality stifled, not being able to have your own opinions, or not being in charge of your own actions, then good for you I guess?

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[identity profile] robintheshrew.livejournal.com 2012-03-09 02:09 am (UTC)(link)
If anything I think it means you'd do anything to help your family. And besides, you SHOULD do what makes you happy.

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[identity profile] countess-k.livejournal.com 2012-03-09 02:15 am (UTC)(link)
Let me see if I got this right. You would've married a man who yelled at you, disrespected you in front of your family and total strangers, slapped you for stepping out of line, and shot at you when he found out you preferred someone else? I can see how that marriage would go.

Word of advice, be careful what you wish for. Such a 'wonderful' man is not hard to come by.

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(Anonymous) 2012-03-09 02:41 am (UTC)(link)
ITT

People who don't have a fucking clue what feminism is...

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Choosing to marry a misogynistic psychopath purely for your family's benefit? Yes, that makes you anti-feminist and an idiot. Good luck with that.

Feminism is about the reason those choices are made as much as the choice itself. Choosing things out of guilt and emotional manipulation isn't feminist.

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Do you remember Cal losing everything in the Stock Market crash? In a couple of decades and you would have been poor again. And I really think Rose ended up doing okay in the end as she was far from poor.

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It is anti-feminist because it wasn't a fair choice for you to choose really. It wasn't like Rose was free to be with Jack. If she wanted to be with the guy, not only her family will be bumped down to middle class, she would be a mere possession to Cal. Good luck thinking that a marriage like that will make you happy in the long term. Marriage for money are usually unhealthy marriage. And that he's abusive on top of that.

Inb4 someone accuses me for being SJW, but this is the issue I have with choice feminism. Not every decision a woman makes is a feminist one. Feminism isn't simply about choice, but fighting for freedom to make a FAIR choice. In Rose's time, marrying for money was something you HAD to do. It was the status quo, to society, it was not really a choice. And she didn't treat it as one, she was resigned to it like a lot of woman from rich families of that era.

Choosing to be like being a housewife in the 50s wasn't a feminist choice because you were expected to be one despite whatever education and career you had before marriage. Now, in most cultures, housewifery can be considered a feminist choice because it isn't the only acceptable option for women now (although, let's not get it twisted, there is still an expectancy that your career is not before being a housewife of sorts or you're a bitch and that househusbandry is considered to be something to laugh at because it's a 'girly' thing that manly man don't do. Never mind, people don't take housewifery seriously).

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If you're willing to enjoy a cushy effortless life that is set up for you on the basis of the idea that you are weaker and less capable than others, I'm not sure where to put that on the scale of activism vs. contributing to the problem, but it's not good.

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