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⌈ Secret Post #3616 ⌋

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Official advertise your fandom-related event thread.

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Important Question (Inspired by #1)

[(Anonymous)]

1) What is the best big dumb action movie (or action movie franchise)? Not thinking of MCU-type blockbusters, but more stupid things, like Fast & The Furious, or Point Break, or Speed. I know that's a hard distinction. Use your judgment.

2) What is the most shippable big dumb action movie franchise?

3) Specifically, which is more shippable: the original Point Break, or the Fast & The Furious movies?

Re: Important Question (Inspired by #1)

[kaijinscendre]

Top Gun to all three.

Re: Important Question (Inspired by #1)

[(Anonymous)]

1) Big Dumb Action movies: The Fifth Element, Con Air, The Rock, The Last Boy Scout, the Die Hard movies, the Mission Impossible movies

2) I find Die Hard 4 very shippable, especially if you have an age difference kink.

3) I think F&F way more shippable than Point Break (although tbh I haven't seen that one in several years), pretty much because of the way Brian and Dom's eyes linger on each other. There is literally a scene in the first one where B is looking at D and the camera pans up his entire body. GAY AF.

Re: Important Question (Inspired by #1)

[shortysc22]

I love Escape from New York. It's not the best, but I love it looking back on it.

Not shippable at all, just a good 80s action flick.

Re: Important Question (Inspired by #1)

[tabaqui]

Die Hard for the first. And the fourth(?) movie in that series is ship-tastic (and the fic is awesome).

F&F for overall shipping.

I...cannot remember the original PB movie well enough to say, though i like Keanu better than anybody in F&F, although Sung Kang (Han) is fucking gorgeous, and fun, and hot as the sun....

Re: Important Question (Inspired by #1)

[skeletal_history]

1) I really loved Drive and John Wick.

2) Dunno

3) Point Break

thanksgiving food

[(Anonymous)]

A bit late but, I'm curious:
How do you season mashed potatoes? "Traditional" recipes I found on the internet uses only salt and pepper and I thought it was a bit... bland as I'm used to add ground nutmeg, garlic or parsely depending on the mood. What about you?

Re: thanksgiving food

[(Anonymous)]

Lots of coarse grated cheddar and salted butter. Maybe a little bit of chopped parsley or rosemary.

Re: thanksgiving food

[(Anonymous)]

Just milk, butter, salt, and pepper.

But I really like the taste of potatoes, so.

Re: thanksgiving food

[kaijinscendre]

A spoonful of mayo, milk, salt, and pepper.

Re: thanksgiving food

[herpymcderp]

Vegetarian "chicken" broth. Which consists of salt, onion powder, garlic, pepper, nutritional yeast, thyme, bay leaf, and a pinch of dill.

Butter, milk, and salt and pepper to taste after that, of course, but the chicken stock thing has always been my secret weapon. People often tell me I make the best mashed potatoes they've ever had, and the secret has always been the chicken flavouring.

Of course, normal average chicken bouillon would also work, but I had to come up with something to substitute.

What are you a judgy bitch over?

[(Anonymous)]

fandom or not

Star Wars

[(Anonymous)]

New episode of Rebels, Rogue One's coming soon, new books out - how's it going?

RECS!

[kallanda_lee]

First I want to thank the lovely people who recced me the Ipseity series, I am currently still enjoying that. I think I saw the fic months back, but skipped it because the premise made me uncomfortable (courtesy of shrink #4) but Itried it and it's absolute lovely.

So, if you have a great story you want to share,or you're looking for something in particular, post it here!

Warm fuzzies

[sparrow_lately]

Anything nice and warm and fuzzy you want to share. I had a really all-over-the-place week, in terms of some low lows (my fucking apartment flooded) and some high highs (as I said a few nights ago, basically I got to see about 8 of my favorite people in the whole world, many of whom don't often get to spend time together/with me, this weekend). So to balance it all on Sunday night: nice things?

Great actors cast in the wrong role

[philstar22]

What actors do you think are normally amazing, but were the wrong choice for a particular role?

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Games thread!

Book club - November discussion for Watership Down!!!

[diet_poison]

Did you join us in reading Watership Down for the month of November, or have you read it in the past? Share your thoughts or questions! Mine in a reply~

Re: Book club - November discussion for Watership Down!!!

[diet_poison]

So I had no idea what this book was about going into it even though I'd head it before. Did not expect it to be a book about rabbits. But it was a very good book about rabbits.

My experience reading books about adventures from an animal's point of view is mostly Redwall, so I thought a little of that going in. But this was very different from Redwall. I'm not really surprised that Adams basically eschewed all anthropomorphization beyond some personality features and added intelligence (though it was interesting the pains he took to point out that rabbits are still kinda dumb even when they're thinking a little bit like us, like their inability to count past four or to understand why sitting on wood lets you float), but I was a bit surprised by how dark the story actually was. It was not by any means a children's book. It felt very unique to me in being a book about animals with lots of flowery prose about nature that had very adult themes and a fair amount of gore.

I was impressed with how well the characters were developed considering the restrictions within which the author was working. Hazel, Fiver, Bigwig, Holly, Blackberry, etc. all had such unique and interesting personalities. I think my favorite rabbit was Bigwig. I admire his tenacity and relate to his tendency sometimes to see things in black-and-white and go directly at a problem to get to the other side.

General Woundwort was a really excellent villain and I was engaged enough with the conflict with him and disgusted enough by him as a person to really wish Bigwig had killed him during the invasion on Honeycomb. :/ What a nasty piece of work. He felt like the rabbit version of a narcissist, too.

I was a little bit disappointed at the secondary nature of does as characters, especially given that this story was originally written for the author's daughters! I don't know if that's a product of the author or the times but it seems most likely to be a product of trying to stay true to rabbit biology, and also needing a plot device to compel Hazel's warren to explore and return to Efrafa. He didn't give a good explanation though as to why no does had traveled with them from Sandleford in the first place. How likely is it that out of ten or twelve migrants not a single one would be female, when the only criterion for joining the expedition was "I want to go"? Maybe does just don't migrate much and that wasn't well explained?

That said I liked the does we had, especially Hyzenthlay. (I don't know why their names were all in Lapine and longer and more complicated than the names of the bucks, though, and some were annoying to remember.) Speaking of, I thought the development and use of Lapine was a really charming and well-crafted piece of worldbuilding. My favorite word is hrududu. ^_^

My favorite overall character has to be Kehaar. I loved his personality and I loved reading his accent. I really liked the friendship he developed with the rabbits, unlikely as that sort of thing is ever to happen in the wild IRL. And he had some of the most entertaining lines.

Last thing - I really loved the development of rabbit mythology and all the stories about El-ahrairah. Especially the part about Frith blessing El-ahrairah's bottom in the first story. :) One of my favorite features of the book overall. And finally, I loved the epilogue and El-ahrairah coming to take Hazel's spirit away. <3 Very sweet ending, and I'm a real sucker for those!

What about you, F!S? What was your overall impression of the story? Did you like it? Who were your favorite characters? What did you think of the worldbuilding in the confines of the setting? What did you think about Efrafa and General Woundwort? Tell me your thoughts!

Re: Book club - November discussion for Watership Down!!!

[(Anonymous)]

Hey, you're really early! :D

Oh dear, I'm going to be such a party pooper.

I enjoyed some of the shenanigans and characters, especially bunny Jesus prophet Fiver and proud xenophile Bigwig.

The group dynamics in the different warrens and within Hazel's followers were really interesting. There's also an interesting parallel between Hazel and General Woundwort, and what Hazel might have become without a reliable dissenter like Fiver around. I also found the hint interesting that Hazel's warren only works perfectly for the time being, because it currently has the perfect size, but that this is going to change eventually. So history repeating itself, the warren developing in different directions etc. remains a definite possibility.

I found some things confusing. Please enlighten me, if you understood those better than I did.

I'm assuming that the rabbits have this ancient/traditional language (hrooloodudu-whatever etc.) that they use for special occasions and a common everyday language that seems to be some kind of animal Esperanto that all the animals in one country/region share (which looks like normal human English, but is probably not supposed to be normal human English). Do the rabbits understand normal human English? They also have two names each: a common name (like Hazel) and a Lapine name. But why do all the 'normal'/'wild' does only have Lapine names?

My Esperanto theory makes sense in relation to how the local rats, cats, dogs are able to speak it perfectly without accent, and Kehaar speaks it with a heavy accent, because he's a foreigner speaking a (for him) foreign language (birds probably have their own kind of bird Esperanto thing going on). But why are the local mice speaking like foreigners?

I also found the whole anthropomorphization of the rabbits in combination with the 'living naturally/as rabbity as possible' and 'the callousness/destructiveness of humans' themes really strange. It doesn't make much sense to me.

So you give your fictional bunnies speech and language, you give them history, religion, mythology, art, the ability to consciously change the way they live etc. Those are extremely anthropomorphic rabbits. Yet those extremely human-like rabbits are desperately fighting for a chance to live, as they see it, as 'naturally' and 'rabbit-like' as possible.

It seems to be implied that the 'bad' warrens went bad, because their rabbits started behaving too much like humans (General Woundword is actually described as unnatural, as not like a rabbit at all). But Hazel and his followers are by no means less human-like or more animal-like or more natural than the rabbits in the 'bad' warrens. They are simply extremely human-like in a different way. I just don't understand what Adams was trying to do here.

My overall impression is that it's a very off-kilter, confused story. However, I think it could have been amazing, if he managed to pull something like that off with more rabbity rabbits, using actual ways real life rabbits would communicate, minimal direct speech etc.

You could argue that my confusion is due to not getting the deliberate ambiguity on the author's part. Certainly possible. I'm usually a great fan of that. But I didn't get the impression of deliberate ambiguity at all. To me it reads like the author himself was confused about what he actually wanted to do and say within his story.

I guess, what it comes down to is that you either buy those rabbits as rabbits or you don't. I've seen a lot of praise about the book in relation to how believably animalistic the rabbits are. But for me that's laughable. They are some of the least animalistic animals in fiction I can imagine.

Those are just the things I don't get, though.

My main issues are length and pacing. It's way too long. I don't know which editions you all read, but mine has 450 pages (that's 450 pages pure text, no introduction, essay, notes). It could have easily done with half of that without losing anything of importance. It was often a battle for me to get through. The pacing as well is often completely off. Most of the time I was simply bored.

tl,dr: There is some serious potential in there, but the execution of it is subpar.

I can't say I enjoyed it very much. All my own fault, because I suggested it myself. I wouldn't have finished it, had I not suggested it, to be honest. Well, at least I've read it now, I guess.

Re: Book club - November discussion for Watership Down!!!

[(Anonymous)]

I re-read it for the first time in decades, and was surprised at how well it stood up. It was a big hit when it first came out and started off a genre of children's animal stories, but it's still the original and best. I love the rabbit's eye view of the world – both trying to explain concepts that would be outside their normal experience – and also literally seeing the world from a rabbit's viewpoint close to the ground. It's a way of getting out of my own experience, I guess.

I love the stories-within-stories construction. It works much better here than in some other books that have used that structure, though Ursula LeGuin comes close. I love the sharply-drawn characters (felt a bit sorry for other ranks Acorn, Speedwell and Hawkbit, though!) The does got less attention than I would have liked, though they obviously did their best to get out of Efrafa before our heroes came along. I've read the sequel, tales from Watership Down, and you get more of the does in that one.

My favourite character of all is Campion, surely the Rommel of the rabbit world, a thoroughly decent and highly competent fellow who eventually realises he's been on the wrong side – and survives to do something about it. You get more of his story in the sequel, and I'm fairly sure, from a line in that book, that he ends up where Hazel did.

So thank-you to whoever suggested it, I loved re-reading it – a mix of pure nostalgia and new appreciation of what the writer did.